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[seuk]

i've got the 6d and shilling both are brass with a silver wash which has become worn in parts.

If you get around to make scans of them - please mail them to: seuk@mail.dk

[seuk]

Shilling pages are now updated

Total is now 124 different obverses and 136 reverses.

[seuk]

Haven't had much time for coin study for a while. I was about to start dividing the halfcrowns into groups like the shillings, which should be fairly easy since the number of halfcrowns variations are much lower than the shillings.

However taking a look on the first bust halfcrown its interesting to note that the shield on reverse are of nearly same size as on the shillings due to the room taken up by the collar and badge of the order of the Garter which surrounds the garter itself on the first halfcrown reverse designed by Wyon.

So with a design of nearly same size there's a change that a counterfeiter would use the same punches for both shillings and halfcrowns where possible. Of the 1st bust counterfeits; only three obverse and two reverses are known to me and these clearly come from the same engraver. As it turns out the engraver being the same as for the Group A shilling counterfeits.

Perhaps it will also be possible to link the 2nd bust halfcrowns + sixpence and perhaps even some of the bank token counterfeits directly to the various groups of counterfeit shilling and thereby getting a more complete picture of the operation.

However before doing that - I fell I need to complete a more throughout study of the shillings by going through all the punches used for each known die within the various groups. Hopefully that will outline the groups in a more definitive way and perhaps even reveal the sequence of the various counterfeits which will be all-important in dating them more precisely.

...and it will only take a few years

[seuk]

Another year has passed and I've just finished sorting all the counterfeit 1816-20 shillings which I've bought within the last half year or so. The result on the basis of 405+ counterfeit shillings is 133 different obverses and 143 reverses. However the numbers especially of the reverses may be reduced when I get the time for a more throughout study.

Best counterfeit shilling in 2012

[Paulus]

Another year has passed and I've just finished sorting all the counterfeit 1816-20 shillings which I've bought within the last half year or so. The result on the basis of 405+ counterfeit shillings is 133 different obverses and 143 reverses. However the numbers especially of the reverses may be reduced when I get the time for a more throughout study.

Best counterfeit shilling in 2012

That would sure fool me! Any clues?

[seuk]

That would sure fool me! Any clues?

In this case the lettering on reverse is much to large and the 'silver' has a yellowish tone. Weight is 4.8 gr. (genuine shillings are 5.3 gr.)

[Coinery]

Another year has passed and I've just finished sorting all the counterfeit 1816-20 shillings which I've bought within the last half year or so. The result on the basis of 405+ counterfeit shillings is 133 different obverses and 143 reverses. However the numbers especially of the reverses may be reduced when I get the time for a more throughout study.

Best counterfeit shilling in 2012

Staggering study, seuk! I have to say, the sheer number of Ob's & Rev's is enough to put me off the G3 silver forever!

I guess the only consolation, excepting your 2012 image, is that most of the contemporary counterfeits are looking a little the worse for wear in 2013, and thank God for that!

Happy New Year, seuk, and thanks for all you've added to my understanding of counterfeits this year!

[Peckris]

Another year has passed and I've just finished sorting all the counterfeit 1816-20 shillings which I've bought within the last half year or so. The result on the basis of 405+ counterfeit shillings is 133 different obverses and 143 reverses. However the numbers especially of the reverses may be reduced when I get the time for a more throughout study.

Best counterfeit shilling in 2012

That would sure fool me! Any clues?

It would fool most people! Looking closely at that, I would say one clue would be the Tyrannosaurus Rex head on the Scottish lion, and the 3 English sheep instead of leopards. But seriously, if you got that in change, you wouldn't look twice at it.

[Rob]

Another year has passed and I've just finished sorting all the counterfeit 1816-20 shillings which I've bought within the last half year or so. The result on the basis of 405+ counterfeit shillings is 133 different obverses and 143 reverses. However the numbers especially of the reverses may be reduced when I get the time for a more throughout study.

Best counterfeit shilling in 2012

That would sure fool me! Any clues?

It would fool most people! Looking closely at that, I would say one clue would be the Tyrannosaurus Rex head on the Scottish lion, and the 3 English sheep instead of leopards. But seriously, if you got that in change, you wouldn't look twice at it.

Despite the looks, the rampant lion is still a passing resemblance to the real thing.

[seuk]

Pages on the other denominations (than the shilling) are now uploaded

These are simply rough pages with no detailed information. But perhaps some will find them of interest and help keeping the site alive until I can get around to group the other counterfeits.

[Coinery]

Pages on the other denominations (than the shilling) are now uploaded

These are simply rough pages with no detailed information. But perhaps some will find them of interest and help keeping the site alive until I can get around to group the other counterfeits.

Will be getting myself a cup of coffee and half an hour tomorrow!