The FRANK BRADY COLLECTION

[petitioncrown]

YOUR THOUGHTS PLEASE

When a collection such as Frank Brady British Groats comes to the market we do not always appreciate at the time the devotion, time and effort to create such a collection.

Every piece creates a differing level of research, even excitement as the collector for a period in this case of over 30 years has the enjoyment while developing such a collection.

I revisited the catalogue this morning and I have done so many times in the last 2 months. It has taken time for me to begin to understand the “love” of the collection before it was sold. It is always with hindsight that we seem always to wish we had just acquired a few more pieces.

These groats tell a story of everyday coinage from 1272 Edward I to 1685 Charles II a period of over 20 monarchs of England over 400 years.

A collection is never completed; the catalogue will be remembered as a reference work for the British Hammered Groat.

The individual pieces will now disappear into our collections but the name of Brady as the years go on will be remembered as being a milestone in British Numismatics. The catalogue will be a reference work.

The collection was sold while Frank Brady could see his achievement. Maybe Brady will start a new collection?

LOT 305

Henry VIII, second coinage, 1526-44, Groat, 2.57g, York, m.m. voided cross both sides (Thomas Wolsey, 1526-30), crowned bust right, fra, rev. long cross fourchée over shield, t-w at sides, Cardinal's hat below, saltire in forks (N.1799; S.2339; Whitton I; Stewartby p. 473,1

Cardinal Thomas Wolseley, who from 1523, was both Archbishop of York and Palatine Bishop of Durham, issued the only coins of the Groat denomination bearing the symbols of an English cleric.

[Peckris]

YOUR THOUGHTS PLEASE

When a collection such as Frank Brady British Groats comes to the market we do not always appreciate at the time the devotion, time and effort to create such a collection.

Every piece creates a differing level of research, even excitement as the collector for a period in this case of over 30 years has the enjoyment while developing such a collection.

I revisited the catalogue this morning and I have done so many times in the last 2 months. It has taken time for me to begin to understand the “love†of the collection before it was sold. It is always with hindsight that we seem always to wish we had just acquired a few more pieces.

These groats tell a story of everyday coinage from 1272 Edward I to 1685 Charles II a period of over 20 monarchs of England over 400 years.

A collection is never completed; the catalogue will be remembered as a reference work for the British Hammered Groat.

The individual pieces will now disappear into our collections but the name of Brady as the years go on will be remembered as being a milestone in British Numismatics. The catalogue will be a reference work.

The collection was sold while Frank Brady could see his achievement. Maybe Brady will start a new collection?

LOT 305

Henry VIII, second coinage, 1526-44, Groat, 2.57g, York, m.m. voided cross both sides (Thomas Wolsey, 1526-30), crowned bust right, fra, rev. long cross fourchée over shield, t-w at sides, Cardinal's hat below, saltire in forks (N.1799; S.2339; Whitton I; Stewartby p. 473,1

Cardinal Thomas Wolseley, who from 1523, was both Archbishop of York and Palatine Bishop of Durham, issued the only coins of the Groat denomination bearing the symbols of an English cleric.

I'm not a hammered man, but I echo your thoughts on how it is that dedicated collectors can see their sold collections become the basis of a standard reference. The other way is to "do a Peck" or "do a Freeman' and publish a reference work.

That piece is very handsome by the way - I love the way that realistic portraits appear from later Henry VII onwards as the Renaissance bites, and the kings on coins no longer look like Worzel Gummidge.

[petitioncrown]

YOUR THOUGHTS PLEASE

When a collection such as Frank Brady British Groats comes to the market we do not always appreciate at the time the devotion, time and effort to create such a collection.

Every piece creates a differing level of research, even excitement as the collector for a period in this case of over 30 years has the enjoyment while developing such a collection.

I revisited the catalogue this morning and I have done so many times in the last 2 months. It has taken time for me to begin to understand the “love†of the collection before it was sold. It is always with hindsight that we seem always to wish we had just acquired a few more pieces.

These groats tell a story of everyday coinage from 1272 Edward I to 1685 Charles II a period of over 20 monarchs of England over 400 years.

A collection is never completed; the catalogue will be remembered as a reference work for the British Hammered Groat.

The individual pieces will now disappear into our collections but the name of Brady as the years go on will be remembered as being a milestone in British Numismatics. The catalogue will be a reference work.

The collection was sold while Frank Brady could see his achievement. Maybe Brady will start a new collection?

LOT 305

Henry VIII, second coinage, 1526-44, Groat, 2.57g, York, m.m. voided cross both sides (Thomas Wolsey, 1526-30), crowned bust right, fra, rev. long cross fourchée over shield, t-w at sides, Cardinal's hat below, saltire in forks (N.1799; S.2339; Whitton I; Stewartby p. 473,1

Cardinal Thomas Wolseley, who from 1523, was both Archbishop of York and Palatine Bishop of Durham, issued the only coins of the Groat denomination bearing the symbols of an English cleric.

I'm not a hammered man, but I echo your thoughts on how it is that dedicated collectors can see their sold collections become the basis of a standard reference. The other way is to "do a Peck" or "do a Freeman' and publish a reference work.

That piece is very handsome by the way - I love the way that realistic portraits appear from later Henry VII onwards as the Renaissance bites, and the kings on coins no longer look like Worzel Gummidge.

[TomGoodheart]

the kings on coins no longer look like Worzel Gummidge.

Oh, I thought they were modelled on Stephanie from Lazytown ..

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Stephanie from Lazytown ................ Some groat or other

[petitioncrown]

YOUR THOUGHTS PLEASE

When a collection such as Frank Brady British Groats comes to the market we do not always appreciate at the time the devotion, time and effort to create such a collection.

Every piece creates a differing level of research, even excitement as the collector for a period in this case of over 30 years has the enjoyment while developing such a collection.

I revisited the catalogue this morning and I have done so many times in the last 2 months. It has taken time for me to begin to understand the “love†of the collection before it was sold. It is always with hindsight that we seem always to wish we had just acquired a few more pieces.

These groats tell a story of everyday coinage from 1272 Edward I to 1685 Charles II a period of over 20 monarchs of England over 400 years.

A collection is never completed; the catalogue will be remembered as a reference work for the British Hammered Groat.

The individual pieces will now disappear into our collections but the name of Brady as the years go on will be remembered as being a milestone in British Numismatics. The catalogue will be a reference work.

The collection was sold while Frank Brady could see his achievement. Maybe Brady will start a new collection?

LOT 305

Henry VIII, second coinage, 1526-44, Groat, 2.57g, York, m.m. voided cross both sides (Thomas Wolsey, 1526-30), crowned bust right, fra, rev. long cross fourchée over shield, t-w at sides, Cardinal's hat below, saltire in forks (N.1799; S.2339; Whitton I; Stewartby p. 473,1

Cardinal Thomas Wolseley, who from 1523, was both Archbishop of York and Palatine Bishop of Durham, issued the only coins of the Groat denomination bearing the symbols of an English cleric.

I'm not a hammered man, but I echo your thoughts on how it is that dedicated collectors can see their sold collections become the basis of a standard reference. The other way is to "do a Peck" or "do a Freeman' and publish a reference work.

That piece is very handsome by the way - I love the way that realistic portraits appear from later Henry VII onwards as the Renaissance bites, and the kings on coins no longer look like Worzel Gummidge.

Hi, maybe on a forum I should be more general as a hobby, we all collect different numismatic material. I also used to collect British pennies and Peck and Michael Freeman and other reference works were my daily assistant. I never did get an 1869 penny. I think I was the first to spot the 1865/3 penny. Silly me never kept it.

[Accumulator]

YOUR THOUGHTS PLEASE

When a collection such as Frank Brady British Groats comes to the market we do not always appreciate at the time the devotion, time and effort to create such a collection.

Every piece creates a differing level of research, even excitement as the collector for a period in this case of over 30 years has the enjoyment while developing such a collection.

I revisited the catalogue this morning and I have done so many times in the last 2 months. It has taken time for me to begin to understand the “love” of the collection before it was sold. It is always with hindsight that we seem always to wish we had just acquired a few more pieces.

These groats tell a story of everyday coinage from 1272 Edward I to 1685 Charles II a period of over 20 monarchs of England over 400 years.

A collection is never completed; the catalogue will be remembered as a reference work for the British Hammered Groat.

The individual pieces will now disappear into our collections but the name of Brady as the years go on will be remembered as being a milestone in British Numismatics. The catalogue will be a reference work.

The collection was sold while Frank Brady could see his achievement. Maybe Brady will start a new collection?

LOT 305

Henry VIII, second coinage, 1526-44, Groat, 2.57g, York, m.m. voided cross both sides (Thomas Wolsey, 1526-30), crowned bust right, fra, rev. long cross fourchée over shield, t-w at sides, Cardinal's hat below, saltire in forks (N.1799; S.2339; Whitton I; Stewartby p. 473,1

Cardinal Thomas Wolseley, who from 1523, was both Archbishop of York and Palatine Bishop of Durham, issued the only coins of the Groat denomination bearing the symbols of an English cleric.

I'm not a hammered man, but I echo your thoughts on how it is that dedicated collectors can see their sold collections become the basis of a standard reference. The other way is to "do a Peck" or "do a Freeman' and publish a reference work.

That piece is very handsome by the way - I love the way that realistic portraits appear from later Henry VII onwards as the Renaissance bites, and the kings on coins no longer look like Worzel Gummidge.

Hi, maybe on a forum I should be more general as a hobby, we all collect different numismatic material. I also used to collect British pennies and Peck and Michael Freeman and other reference works were my daily assistant. I never did get an 1869 penny. I think I was the first to spot the 1865/3 penny. Silly me never kept it.

You have some of the most stunning coins I have ever seen... thank you for sharing them! I don't collect hammered at the moment, but can see the attraction and may well get there one day. I do have an 1869 but it's not the best specimen (unfortunately, someones had a go at cleaning it in the past):

Edited October 29, 2011 by Accumulator

[Peckris]

Hi, maybe on a forum I should be more general as a hobby, we all collect different numismatic material. I also used to collect British pennies and Peck and Michael Freeman and other reference works were my daily assistant. I never did get an 1869 penny. I think I was the first to spot the 1865/3 penny. Silly me never kept it.

You're that old??? I remember looking out for one of those as a schoolboy in the 60s..

You have some of the most stunning coins I have ever seen... thank you for sharing them! I don't collect hammered at the moment, but can see the attraction and may well get there one day. I do have an 1869 but it's not the best specimen (unfortunately, someones had a go at cleaning it in the past):

Puts mine well and truly into the shade.

[Rob]

It's only in the post war years that there has been a tendency to collect a denomination. The first real denomination collection was that of T W Barron, whose collection of crowns was sold in 1906. Prior to that collections were almost exclusively accumulations of almost anything that could be bought. In the 18th and 19th centuries the number of top end collectors would have been much smaller than it currently is, and as a consequence they were able to build truly massive collections encompassing all periods, denominations and countries. The same names keep cropping up when choice pieces are involved, but the also ran material had to be somewhere in relatively minor collections which would be more highly regarded today. Extracting useful information from catalogues of the time is not easy when confronted with a typical lot description such as " Charles I Oxford Mint half-crowns, all very rare varieties and all very fine"!

I suppose that the ever restricted collecting fields are the result of a combination of increased prices, a greater number of collectors and a greater interest in specific denominations following the publication of the works of Morrieson, Peck and the like. The latter is crucial to the development of denomination collections as few people have the self-discipline to compile the lists of varieties in the first place, though many will gratefully use the fruits of their labours.

Any restricted collecting field will become a standard reference if pursued in depth. Thus, not only do you see Peck, ESC, etc references in catalogues, but increasingly you will find notes such as Adams or Bamford lots as a reference for pennies, or Cooke numbers for farthings as examples. Brady will undoubtedly become one of these references as it was a comprehensive collection of hammered groats in the same way that the former have. These are often supplemental references to the major ones which invariably have holes - each and every reference being incomplete from day 1. An additional benefit accrues from the illustrating of present day catalogues which until 10 years ago was a major undertaking. Modern computer programming has been a real boon in this area, as it has provided a cheap method of showing coins virtually in the flesh compared to the previous need to rely on frequently inadequte descriptions. This should not be underestimated in its significance as people will spend more on an item they can see.

Edited October 29, 2011 by Rob

[petitioncrown]

YOUR THOUGHTS PLEASE

When a collection such as Frank Brady British Groats comes to the market we do not always appreciate at the time the devotion, time and effort to create such a collection.

Every piece creates a differing level of research, even excitement as the collector for a period in this case of over 30 years has the enjoyment while developing such a collection.

I revisited the catalogue this morning and I have done so many times in the last 2 months. It has taken time for me to begin to understand the “love†of the collection before it was sold. It is always with hindsight that we seem always to wish we had just acquired a few more pieces.

These groats tell a story of everyday coinage from 1272 Edward I to 1685 Charles II a period of over 20 monarchs of England over 400 years.

A collection is never completed; the catalogue will be remembered as a reference work for the British Hammered Groat.

The individual pieces will now disappear into our collections but the name of Brady as the years go on will be remembered as being a milestone in British Numismatics. The catalogue will be a reference work.

The collection was sold while Frank Brady could see his achievement. Maybe Brady will start a new collection?

LOT 305

Henry VIII, second coinage, 1526-44, Groat, 2.57g, York, m.m. voided cross both sides (Thomas Wolsey, 1526-30), crowned bust right, fra, rev. long cross fourchée over shield, t-w at sides, Cardinal's hat below, saltire in forks (N.1799; S.2339; Whitton I; Stewartby p. 473,1

Cardinal Thomas Wolseley, who from 1523, was both Archbishop of York and Palatine Bishop of Durham, issued the only coins of the Groat denomination bearing the symbols of an English cleric.

I'm not a hammered man, but I echo your thoughts on how it is that dedicated collectors can see their sold collections become the basis of a standard reference. The other way is to "do a Peck" or "do a Freeman' and publish a reference work.

That piece is very handsome by the way - I love the way that realistic portraits appear from later Henry VII onwards as the Renaissance bites, and the kings on coins no longer look like Worzel Gummidge.

Hi, maybe on a forum I should be more general as a hobby, we all collect different numismatic material. I also used to collect British pennies and Peck and Michael Freeman and other reference works were my daily assistant. I never did get an 1869 penny. I think I was the first to spot the 1865/3 penny. Silly me never kept it.

You have some of the most stunning coins I have ever seen... thank you for sharing them! I don't collect hammered at the moment, but can see the attraction and may well get there one day. I do have an 1869 but it's not the best specimen (unfortunately, someones had a go at cleaning it in the past):

that 1869 looks very nice - put on a piece of ok and leave a couple of years

well I wans once told this

[petitioncrown]

It's only in the post war years that there has been a tendency to collect a denomination. The first real denomination collection was that of T W Barron, whose collection of crowns was sold in 1906. Prior to that collections were almost exclusively accumulations of almost anything that could be bought. In the 18th and 19th centuries the number of top end collectors would have been much smaller than it currently is, and as a consequence they were able to build truly massive collections encompassing all periods, denominations and countries. The same names keep cropping up when choice pieces are involved, but the also ran material had to be somewhere in relatively minor collections which would be more highly regarded today. Extracting useful information from catalogues of the time is not easy when confronted with a typical lot description such as " Charles I Oxford Mint half-crowns, all very rare varieties and all very fine"!

I suppose that the ever restricted collecting fields are the result of a combination of increased prices, a greater number of collectors and a greater interest in specific denominations following the publication of the works of Morrieson, Peck and the like. The latter is crucial to the development of denomination collections as few people have the self-discipline to compile the lists of varieties in the first place, though many will gratefully use the fruits of their labours.

Any restricted collecting field will become a standard reference if pursued in depth. Thus, not only do you see Peck, ESC, etc references in catalogues, but increasingly you will find notes such as Adams or Bamford lots as a reference for pennies, or Cooke numbers for farthings as examples. Brady will undoubtedly become one of these references as it was a comprehensive collection of hammered groats in the same way that the former have. These are often supplemental references to the major ones which invariably have holes - each and every reference being incomplete from day 1. An additional benefit accrues from the illustrating of present day catalogues which until 10 years ago was a major undertaking. Modern computer programming has been a real boon in this area, as it has provided a cheap method of showing coins virtually in the flesh compared to the previous need to rely on frequently inadequte descriptions. This should not be underestimated in its significance as people will spend more on an item they can see.

ROB - WORDS OF WISDOM

[pokal02]

YOUR THOUGHTS PLEASE

When a collection such as Frank Brady British Groats comes to the market we do not always appreciate at the time the devotion, time and effort to create such a collection.

Every piece creates a differing level of research, even excitement as the collector for a period in this case of over 30 years has the enjoyment while developing such a collection.

I revisited the catalogue this morning and I have done so many times in the last 2 months. It has taken time for me to begin to understand the “love†of the collection before it was sold. It is always with hindsight that we seem always to wish we had just acquired a few more pieces.

These groats tell a story of everyday coinage from 1272 Edward I to 1685 Charles II a period of over 20 monarchs of England over 400 years.

A collection is never completed; the catalogue will be remembered as a reference work for the British Hammered Groat.

The individual pieces will now disappear into our collections but the name of Brady as the years go on will be remembered as being a milestone in British Numismatics. The catalogue will be a reference work.

The collection was sold while Frank Brady could see his achievement. Maybe Brady will start a new collection?

LOT 305

Henry VIII, second coinage, 1526-44, Groat, 2.57g, York, m.m. voided cross both sides (Thomas Wolsey, 1526-30), crowned bust right, fra, rev. long cross fourchée over shield, t-w at sides, Cardinal's hat below, saltire in forks (N.1799; S.2339; Whitton I; Stewartby p. 473,1

Cardinal Thomas Wolseley, who from 1523, was both Archbishop of York and Palatine Bishop of Durham, issued the only coins of the Groat denomination bearing the symbols of an English cleric.

One or two silly prices here. £3,000 odd (inc premium) for a fairly indifferent Tournai Groat?? It's not as rare as that. Am not surprised the Henry IV and Edward I groats went for huge prices though.

There were two Charles II groats (LOTS 385/386) - I bid for what I thought was the less attractive one (both were described as VF, but I thought the first was AVF and the second GVF), hoping to be the only bidder. A mistake as the second one went for less!! (£130 and £100)

[Rob]

One or two silly prices here. £3,000 odd (inc premium) for a fairly indifferent Tournai Groat?? It's not as rare as that. Am not surprised the Henry IV and Edward I groats went for huge prices though.

There were two Charles II groats (LOTS 385/386) - I bid for what I thought was the less attractive one (both were described as VF, but I thought the first was AVF and the second GVF), hoping to be the only bidder. A mistake as the second one went for less!! (£130 and £100)

If in doubt, buy both. You can always sell the one you don't want.

[petitioncrown]

One or two silly prices here. £3,000 odd (inc premium) for a fairly indifferent Tournai Groat?? It's not as rare as that. Am not surprised the Henry IV and Edward I groats went for huge prices though.

There were two Charles II groats (LOTS 385/386) - I bid for what I thought was the less attractive one (both were described as VF, but I thought the first was AVF and the second GVF), hoping to be the only bidder. A mistake as the second one went for less!! (£130 and £100)

If in doubt, buy both. You can always sell the one you don't want.

Keep the Powder Dry – many times within a year a number of pieces can return to the market at below the hammer price