double florin proof.

[ski]

ive been looking out for a double florin proof for ages. ive read in another topic here about mintage figures etc, but im still having trouble recognising a proof from the many prooflike coins that exist.

r.ingram has a proof for sale on his website but i cant tell if the rim is raised or not.

could anyone please help me with a couple of pics...maybe showing the rims in detail for both the proof and circulation coin. or maybe any other help in identifying double florin proofs.

thanks in advance.......... Ski

[Peckris]

ive been looking out for a double florin proof for ages. ive read in another topic here about mintage figures etc, but im still having trouble recognising a proof from the many prooflike coins that exist.

r.ingram has a proof for sale on his website but i cant tell if the rim is raised or not.

could anyone please help me with a couple of pics...maybe showing the rims in detail for both the proof and circulation coin. or maybe any other help in identifying double florin proofs.

thanks in advance.......... Ski

Rendel (Ingram) is pretty reliable - if he says it's a proof I think you can be confident that it is.

As for rims on something like that - if the milling goes evenly from edge to edge, without a chamfering fall-off towards the rim edge, and if the rim edges feel sharp to the touch, then it stands a good chance of being a proof if all other factors are in place. You'd have to see and 'handle' the coin to be sure though, pictures generally wouldn't do.

[Nick]

ive been looking out for a double florin proof for ages. ive read in another topic here about mintage figures etc, but im still having trouble recognising a proof from the many prooflike coins that exist.

r.ingram has a proof for sale on his website but i cant tell if the rim is raised or not.

could anyone please help me with a couple of pics...maybe showing the rims in detail for both the proof and circulation coin. or maybe any other help in identifying double florin proofs.

thanks in advance.......... Ski

London Coins 'Realised Prices' archive is a good place to look.

As for the R. Ingram example, the picture isn't particularly convincing.

[azda]

ive been looking out for a double florin proof for ages. ive read in another topic here about mintage figures etc, but im still having trouble recognising a proof from the many prooflike coins that exist.

r.ingram has a proof for sale on his website but i cant tell if the rim is raised or not.

could anyone please help me with a couple of pics...maybe showing the rims in detail for both the proof and circulation coin. or maybe any other help in identifying double florin proofs.

thanks in advance.......... Ski

Rendel (Ingram) is pretty reliable - if he says it's a proof I think you can be confident that it is.

As for rims on something like that - if the milling goes evenly from edge to edge, without a chamfering fall-off towards the rim edge, and if the rim edges feel sharp to the touch, then it stands a good chance of being a proof if all other factors are in place. You'd have to see and 'handle' the coin to be sure though, pictures generally wouldn't do.

Unfortunately i can't say the same for his grading, pretty poor actually. I bought a coin from him in what was supposed to be GVF and it was no more than AVF at best. Ingrams pics are not good, they are always distant (for a reason i might add) once bitten etc.

Edited September 7, 2011 by azda

[azda]

ive been looking out for a double florin proof for ages. ive read in another topic here about mintage figures etc, but im still having trouble recognising a proof from the many prooflike coins that exist.

r.ingram has a proof for sale on his website but i cant tell if the rim is raised or not.

could anyone please help me with a couple of pics...maybe showing the rims in detail for both the proof and circulation coin. or maybe any other help in identifying double florin proofs.

thanks in advance.......... Ski

London Coins 'Realised Prices' archive is a good place to look.

As for the R. Ingram example, the picture isn't particularly convincing.

I dunno how lot 244 made more than 1179 in those results, 244 looks as though it had some cleaning to the OBV behind the bust of Victoria, very strange result that, 1179 looks far superior to me

Edited September 7, 2011 by azda

[Nick]

ive been looking out for a double florin proof for ages. ive read in another topic here about mintage figures etc, but im still having trouble recognising a proof from the many prooflike coins that exist.

r.ingram has a proof for sale on his website but i cant tell if the rim is raised or not.

could anyone please help me with a couple of pics...maybe showing the rims in detail for both the proof and circulation coin. or maybe any other help in identifying double florin proofs.

thanks in advance.......... Ski

London Coins 'Realised Prices' archive is a good place to look.

As for the R. Ingram example, the picture isn't particularly convincing.

I dunno how lot 244 made more than 1179 in those results, 244 looks as though it had some cleaning to the OBV behind the bust of Victoria, very strange result that, 1179 looks far superior to me

I agree, although 1179 seems to have quite a lot of surface marks in front of the face.

The one thing that is annoying about London Coins pictures is the inconsistent style. Some are large, some are small, lighting and backgrounds vary which make comparisons difficult. They should just settle on a photographic setup and stick with it.

[azda]

ive been looking out for a double florin proof for ages. ive read in another topic here about mintage figures etc, but im still having trouble recognising a proof from the many prooflike coins that exist.

r.ingram has a proof for sale on his website but i cant tell if the rim is raised or not.

could anyone please help me with a couple of pics...maybe showing the rims in detail for both the proof and circulation coin. or maybe any other help in identifying double florin proofs.

thanks in advance.......... Ski

London Coins 'Realised Prices' archive is a good place to look.

As for the R. Ingram example, the picture isn't particularly convincing.

I dunno how lot 244 made more than 1179 in those results, 244 looks as though it had some cleaning to the OBV behind the bust of Victoria, very strange result that, 1179 looks far superior to me

I agree, although 1179 seems to have quite a lot of surface marks in front of the face.

The one thing that is annoying about London Coins pictures is the inconsistent style. Some are large, some are small, lighting and backgrounds vary which make comparisons difficult. They should just settle on a photographic setup and stick with it.

Its all done to enhance an individual coin Nick, it can't be nything other than that. Look at both of those coins, one has subdued lighting (244 obviously due to the OBV scratches and wanting as much cash from the coin) the other not because it photographed well

[Red Riley]

ive been looking out for a double florin proof for ages. ive read in another topic here about mintage figures etc, but im still having trouble recognising a proof from the many prooflike coins that exist.

r.ingram has a proof for sale on his website but i cant tell if the rim is raised or not.

could anyone please help me with a couple of pics...maybe showing the rims in detail for both the proof and circulation coin. or maybe any other help in identifying double florin proofs.

thanks in advance.......... Ski

Unfortunately I don't have a proof double florin and these two Standing Britannia florins are as close as I can get. I always have problems with size on this site so hope they turn out okay. The edges on the proof florin are rather more squared up and generally more substantial than those on the circulation coin. Later proofs offer little more than a highly polished surface and can actually have quite rough edges.

[ski]

thanks everyone for all the info.

i guess im just going to have to get to look at and handle one for real (although thats partly the problem i have).

maybe a trip to mr ingrams, as some have said here, his picture isnt too good, i couldnt see the difference at all in his photo.

i havent used the london coins archive at all, seems like a useful facility.

thanks once again.

[azda]

thanks everyone for all the info.

i guess im just going to have to get to look at and handle one for real (although thats partly the problem i have).

maybe a trip to mr ingrams, as some have said here, his picture isnt too good, i couldnt see the difference at all in his photo.

i havent used the london coins archive at all, seems like a useful facility.

thanks once again.

Ski, Dereks left hand picture is quite visible, it has a squarish rim, whereas the right hand picture has a round rim

Edited September 8, 2011 by azda

[ski]

Ski, Dereks left hand picture is quite visible, it has a squarish rim, whereas the right hand picture has a round rim

yes theyre very good at showing the difference.....sadly ive never seen any pictures as good as these when trying to buy a double florin. Im also wondering if the beads on a double florin lessen the effect of the square rim in photos.

i dont think i would have a problem if sellers photos were as good as dereks. cheers azda.

ski

[Nick]

Ski, Dereks left hand picture is quite visible, it has a squarish rim, whereas the right hand picture has a round rim

yes theyre very good at showing the difference.....sadly ive never seen any pictures as good as these when trying to buy a double florin. Im also wondering if the beads on a double florin lessen the effect of the square rim in photos.

i dont think i would have a problem if sellers photos were as good as dereks. cheers azda.

ski

Here are a couple of pictures showing 1887 Arabic double florins (currency and proof). As has been said earlier the uniformity and 'squareness' of the rim and the sharpness of the edge graining give the biggest clues. The proof in the picture is slabbed and unfortunately the edge is obscured.

[ski]

thank you nick, your pictures are exactly what i was hoping to see. i hope you dont mind if i save them for future referance.

By the way that proof looks like a really nice coin. thanks..........ski

Edited September 8, 2011 by ski

[Nick]

thank you nick, your pictures are exactly what i was hoping to see. i hope you dont mind if i save them for future referance.

By the way that proof looks like a really nice coin. thanks..........ski

Glad to be of help.