James II something?

[Guest richbedforduk]

I found this in the half crown box. It was labelled at 1669 Oct 400 (316).

It doesn't match the images of James II half crowns that I have seen.

It isn't silver.

James II wasn't king in 1669.

So, what is it please? What date would you say it reads as? What does the XXX (30?) signify?

What does 400 (316) mean?

I was thinking it's about Good grade, shoot me down?

[Guest richbedforduk]

I didn't forget, really, no, I didn't...

[DaveG38]

I found this in the half crown box. It was labelled at 1669 Oct 400 (316).

It doesn't match the images of James II half crowns that I have seen.

It isn't silver.

James II wasn't king in 1669.

So, what is it please? What date would you say it reads as? What does the XXX (30?) signify?

What does 400 (316) mean?

I was thinking it's about Good grade, shoot me down?

It's gun money, made from melting down cannons. The date is 1689 not 1669 and its a half crown (30 pence, hence the XXX).

[argentumandcoins]

It's also Irish, from the civil war between the followers of James and William (Catholics and Protestants). They were issued as promisary pieces with the pledge that they would be paid in silver once the wee dispute was over. 322 years later and they are still not redeemable!

[Guest richbedforduk]

I found this in the half crown box. It was labelled at 1669 Oct 400 (316).

It doesn't match the images of James II half crowns that I have seen.

It isn't silver.

James II wasn't king in 1669.

So, what is it please? What date would you say it reads as? What does the XXX (30?) signify?

What does 400 (316) mean?

I was thinking it's about Good grade, shoot me down?

It's gun money, made from melting down cannons. The date is 1689 not 1669 and its a half crown (30 pence, hence the XXX).

Shoot me down, Gun money...

Well now I know why I couldn't identify it. How would you pitch the value? XXXp or £XXX?

[SionGilbey]

I found this in the half crown box. It was labelled at 1669 Oct 400 (316).

It doesn't match the images of James II half crowns that I have seen.

It isn't silver.

James II wasn't king in 1669.

So, what is it please? What date would you say it reads as? What does the XXX (30?) signify?

What does 400 (316) mean?

I was thinking it's about Good grade, shoot me down?

It's gun money, made from melting down cannons. The date is 1689 not 1669 and its a half crown (30 pence, hence the XXX).

Shoot me down, Gun money...

Well now I know why I couldn't identify it. How would you pitch the value? XXXp or £XXX?

I've seen one go for £40.

[Rob]

The gunmoney pieces are interesting insofar as the 2/6d, 1/- and 6d are the only issues to have both the month and year inscribed. They all have the same basic style with detail differences, though the flan size varies being reduced from April 1690 on the 2/6d and 1/-.

I don't know what 400 (316) refers to.

Edited March 24, 2011 by Rob

[Peter]

The gunmoney pieces are interesting insofar as the 2/6d, 1/- and 6d are the only issues to have both the month and year inscribed. They all have the same basic style with detail differences, though the flan size varies being reduced from April 1690 on the 2/6d and 1/-.

I don't know what 400 (316) refers to.

Euro's and £? Although it would appear a tad expensive.

[Rob]

The gunmoney pieces are interesting insofar as the 2/6d, 1/- and 6d are the only issues to have both the month and year inscribed. They all have the same basic style with detail differences, though the flan size varies being reduced from April 1690 on the 2/6d and 1/-.

I don't know what 400 (316) refers to.

Euro's and £? Although it would appear a tad expensive.

Not unless the seller has lost his senses. October 1689 is a cheap date for the issue.

I don't have any halfcrowns, but below are clearer images of the various busts employed on the large & small 1/-s and the 6d. The large size 2/6d is closest to the 6d and the small one nearest the small 1/- but with more hair to the front of the truncation.

[Rob]

And for completion's sake, the reverses.

[Guest richbedforduk]

The gunmoney pieces are interesting insofar as the 2/6d, 1/- and 6d are the only issues to have both the month and year inscribed. They all have the same basic style with detail differences, though the flan size varies being reduced from April 1690 on the 2/6d and 1/-.

I don't know what 400 (316) refers to.

Thank you,

I also have these as 1/-

JAMES II 1689 1 F SEPT

JAMES II 1689 1 G JULY

The 400 (316) would have been written on the packets a number of decades ago, way before €'s.