Information on Churchill

[JAG]

Hi

Just like to say howdy to all the folks, the swing doors worked well, I’m not in the saloon for a smoke but it would be nice to have a little joke with the regulars so get on down to my profile, have a laugh and leave a comment.

Just thought, will someone consider jumping on my toes for seeking information on a set of Churchill medals?

Who knows?

After all they are not coins but like coins!

They kind of bend if ye grip them in ye teeth.

[JAG]

PS

It might be a good idea to keep this thread for any and all things about Winston Churchill.

Where’s the nodding dog?

I have little info on the set of medals I seek information on, like many stack um high ebay sellers I purchase from they give very little details. (Forgive me if you are a member, here is the place you did no research)

[JAG]

The details I have are as follows:

WINSTON CHURCHILL 24K GOLD COINS

Special edition American Express boxed set of 4 - 24k gold plated on sterling aluminium numbered 240 - all marked on sides of coins. In original box from John Pinches of London. 4 different images of Churchill with 4 of his well known speeches on back of coins. Bought in an antique shop several years ago. Good condition.

I have since found out that they are designed by David Cornell.

Please click on the image that I have included here:

I ask 24k gold plated on sterling aluminium?

If you are going to plate anything with gold then I presume it must be something good & sterling aluminium certainly sounds better than just plain old aluminium but really, is there such a metal?

Anyway if anyone out there has any of those details that all collectors like to have then please post them here.

Such as date of issue

Price at issue

And all those other details normally found on a COA

I would be grateful for any info received & if anyone happens to have a set and is willing to post some better jpegs then I would be overjoyed as I do not have a macro lens for my camera.

Anyway that’s it for now, get ye bucket and (SMASHED INTO A PC BRICK WALL) ye know what I mean & I promise, those Germans will never set foot on the beaches.

[£400 for a Penny ?]

You're very welcome Sir.

Congratulations on one of the more colourful introductory posts in recent times.

If you follow this link to a catalogues and check lot 30, you will see that Engstrom is referred to. I suggest you source a copy of this as it would appear to be the standard reference for material of this nature. The more so if you are going to collect in this area.

http://www.wscbooks.com/pdf/Cat_123.pdf

There are those on this board who would refer to them as 'Tat', but I would never be so rude myself...

[JAG]

Thanks £400 for a Penny ?

Better Portaits available at much less than that!

Info from Catalogue 123 – Churchilliana on Lot 30.

The Churchill Medals- Gold on Silver . . A set of 4 large medals, solid silver plated with 24 ct gold. Emitted in 1970 by John Pinches Ltd. Medals designed by David Cornell. A total of 854 sets issued in various metals, this being no. 75, and stamped on edges. Each medal 44 mm dia., weighs 42 gms. See Engstrom 88-91. In fitted lined case, with certificate and care instructions. $250.00

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I would still like info on the cheaper metal type that I have so if anyone is passing by this way and can point out where to find more info then I would be grateful.

& Yes Engstrom is referred to but other than knowing it is a surname I know little else about it.

£400 to spend a Penny?

That could be construde as a little rude

But medals designed by a respected artist

Are far from tat

That’s what I think of that

Bite the bit

Don’t be down hearted

For such a penny

Would get the biding started

THANKS!

[JAG]

CHURCHILL

Possibly the greatest ( ? ) in the world!

1st Class Officer in the British Army

Great Writer

Great Painter

(Could have been a master)

Great Politician

1st Class Brick Layer

Inspirational Speaker

Great Leader

Hated Hitler

One of the greatest Englishman that ever lived

First Commoner in modern times to be depicted on a coin

BUT

What was the first medal or medallion that shows his image?

Who know?

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Does anyone have a comprehensive list of all the coins, medals and medallions that have been issued to commemorate the life of the great man?

[declanwmagee]

First Commoner in modern times to be depicted on a coin

Hardly a Commoner. Some might say his blood was bluer than those German imposters...he was practically a Stuart.

[JAG]

the

Blue

In

The

BLOOD

Her Majesty our Queen

Happens to be

The most ENGLISH of QUEENS in CENTURIES

Check the bloodline

And

His Majesty the future KING

“Will†be

The most ENGLISH of KINGS in CENTURIES

The Roundheads lopped them off

And the Squareheads have been seen off

God Save our ENGLISH QUEEN!

[£400 for a Penny ?]

Are you sure you don't drink ?

[JAG]

declanwmagee

I went to see

What the link was all about

And no doubt

I shall return

Should I require a penny

Perchance a threpenny bit

The fact is I am mainly interested in items with a military theme. There again could do with a Half a dollar from 1914 & 1917. Got any good examples going cheap?

[JAG]

£400 for a Penny ?

Know ye history?

Bows on Lions

And a man

Devoid a part

Found a Lady

Broke your heart?

ENGLISH MATE!

Some where over the rainbow

weigh a pie

[Peckris]

the

Blue

In

The

BLOOD

Her Majesty our Queen

Happens to be

The most ENGLISH of QUEENS in CENTURIES

Check the bloodline

And

His Majesty the future KING

“Will†be

The most ENGLISH of KINGS in CENTURIES

The Roundheads lopped them off

And the Squareheads have been seen off

God Save our ENGLISH QUEEN!

One slight problem with all that... all our current Royals are supposedly descended from someone who could not possibly have been fathered by his "royal father" as he was away fighting in France at the time. (Edward IV?). At any rate, Henry VII knew full well his claim was spurious, which is why the Tudors spent so much time on propaganda shoring up their (illegitimate) claims. Indeed, Henry VIII had the descendants of the "true" bloodline executed, but one or two of the grandchildren survived and became - a long way down the line - the Earls of Loudon.

That's a bit of a potted summary I'm afraid, but that period of the Wars Of The Roses saw so many shenanigans, so many claimants to the throne! And don't forget that William of Orange - of blessed memory (Glorious Revolution :-) - only had the most tenuous connection via his wife. It's all very dodgy ..

[£400 for a Penny ?]

And don't forget that William of Orange - of blessed memory (Glorious Revolution :-) - only had the most tenuous connection via his wife.

His Lovely wife.....

[Peckris]

And don't forget that William of Orange - of blessed memory (Glorious Revolution :-) - only had the most tenuous connection via his wife.

His Lovely wife.....

[Red Riley]

I am going to ignore that.

Edited March 1, 2010 by Red Riley

[JAG]

You lot have found your way back to the time of feathered hats

Get the tin hats back out would ye

Dear me

My era of interest is the most exiting era in history

The dawn of modern warfare

Tanks, aeroplanes, submarines

Take ye bows and arrows & have a game of cowboys & injuns would ye

I lived though the era of pap cuisine now there are restaurants on every corner

While you lot are still amazed at the spud

By the way though unorthodox I am a Christian

“Don’t mix politics & religionâ€

The dummy in the pub likes ta say

As if they can be unravelled

Then if it’s not one football team

It’s the other

So a Blue Peter badge for the best answer to the following:

Which Protestant was responsible for title Defender of the faith?

And what has that to do with coin collecting?

Brownie points for style & content

The winner will be informed to bid for his prize on ebay and then send the bill to the administrator

Now leave me be

And let me consider the more aesthetically appealing designs that can be found on modern day coins with a military theme

If ye not interested in the competition get ye self down to the garden shed with a hand full of lumpy, illegible, rusting rivets.

[£400 for a Penny ?]

While you lot are still amazed at the spud

Which Protestant was responsible for title Defender of the faith?

And let me consider the more aesthetically appealing designs that can be found on modern day coins with a military theme

If ye not interested in the competition get ye self down to the garden shed with a hand full of lumpy, illegible, rusting rivets.

1. Massive fan of the humble Spud myself, in all of it's manifestations.

2. Technically, it was a Catholic I believe, Pope Leo X who bestowed the title on Henry VIII. He subsequently tried to remove it when Henry 'went feral' but by then he wasn't listening and kept it.

3.If you haven't already looked into it, the 1935 Crown is interesting from a military standpoint. It's a very common coin, but it's design, it's story and it's antecedents might fill an evening.

4. When I go down to the garden shed, I take a picture of Mary II with me....

[Peckris]

While you lot are still amazed at the spud

Which Protestant was responsible for title Defender of the faith?

And let me consider the more aesthetically appealing designs that can be found on modern day coins with a military theme

If ye not interested in the competition get ye self down to the garden shed with a hand full of lumpy, illegible, rusting rivets.

1. Massive fan of the humble Spud myself, in all of it's manifestations.

2. Technically, it was a Catholic I believe, Pope Leo X who bestowed the title on Henry VIII. He subsequently tried to remove it when Henry 'went feral' but by then he wasn't listening and kept it.

3.If you haven't already looked into it, the 1935 Crown is interesting from a military standpoint. It's a very common coin, but it's design, it's story and it's antecedents might fill an evening.

4. When I go down to the garden shed, I take a picture of Mary II with me....

Pope Leo X, that well-known Protestant? Actually, I believe that Henry VIII was the one who used that title first? Though it is stretching credulity rather far to describe Our 'Enery as a Protestant! 'E may have split from Rome, but to all intents and purposes the Anglican Church with Our 'Enery at the 'Elm, was still as Catholic as they come. Just not Roman Catholic. So my answer to your question is - no Protestant did!

My Quaker antecedents force me to leave at this point, if the discussion is to resume on a militaristic theme!

[JAG]

Some knowledgeable answers but thus far all wrong

£400 for a Penny ? X

Peckris X

Peckris gets a brownie point for remembering the Pope and the King at the time were Catholic

Still waiting to find if you know what it has to do with coins

[Peter]

Fidei Defensor was added to the inscription on coins....

Can't we talk about our old copper nose Enry and all the naughty things he got up to.....and how he got his Hampton Court

[Peckris]

Fidei Defensor was added to the inscription on coins....

Well, yes - but he's looking for a more difficult answer than that surely!!? I mean ... EVERYONE kno that

[JAG]

Dear Peter

How fitting

In many respects

St. Peter

Ha- ha-ha

Well Peter’s answer was so good that no one else can win our cheap coveted badge. He actually answered 50% of the question, so no one else can possibly answer more than that.

Peter I hear you like ripping cooked chickens apart with your bare teeth, would you please do that elsewhere this is a thread devoted to military matters. Tough soldier types used to eating “bung ye up†rations while under fire will just find your genteel table manners laughable.

So here is your prize from us in the box you call TV

“Jolly good showâ€

Filled with Elephant Pap

Best Wishes

Value re Bringitdon

PS

Check the answer of Perkris 01-July 09 then consider that after the event there are always those who knew the answer.

[JAG]

Answer:

Check out Martin Luther one of the greatest Germans of all time.

[JAG]

What King?

MackKING!

When I was at school, like everyone else I wanted to be George Best but with two left feet I soon found it ridiculous shouting, I’m George Best, I’m George Best!

THEN I SAW

THE GREAT ESCAPE

And so I rode my push bike up and down mounds of earth around a pond whispering, I’m going to be Steve McQueen but the fact is I was better than Steve McQeen, I was Steve MackKING the real McCoy while Steve McQueen was a mere AC-TOR.

Now using the silver screen in an attempt to inspire those with little military interest I will first bring to your attention to the war film that for many years has been regarded as one of the greatest war films of all time. In my opinion the greatest.

As a fan of war movies (on DVD - stick TV) I waited, and waited, and waited for the next best film to come along and it just never happened.

THEN

WOW – THE SCREAMING EAGLES

of

The 101st AIRBORNE

&

THE GREATEST DEPICTION OF WAR

EVER!

BAND OF BROTHERS

Originally £80 & now can be found for around £18 to £20

An obsolete must see

Then you might better admire

What the Lads did

For you & me

And in words from TRIUMPH COINS

UNITED KINGDOM 1994 PIEDFORT 50 PENCE

50th ANNIVERSARY OF D-DAY NORMANDY LANDINGS

.925 STERLING SILVER PROOF

COMES ENCAPSULATED

COUNTRY - UNITED KINGDOM

VALUE - 50 PENCE

WEIGHT - 27 grams

DIAMETER - 30 mm

METAL - .925 STERLING SILVER

QUALITY - PROOF

MINTAGE - 10,000

ALL IN GOOD CONDITION WITH LIGHT TONING TO THE EDGE (

THIS IS NORMAL WITH ROYAL MINT 50 PENCE COINS)

Stay tuned folks & see more such coins & even perchance a little on the use of copyright images.

[JAG]

The above should have read:

Now using the silver screen in an attempt to inspire those with little military interest I will first bring to your attention the war film that for many years has been regarded as one of the greatest war films of all time. In my opinion the greatest.

A P O C A L Y P S E N O W