1860 1/2 penny beaded border

[azda]

Just wanted some opinions of this coin, is this a rare type, it states "beaded border" rare? Is it? Must admit, its in a really good grade, i don't normally buy copper, but would only for rare types, hence my question.

Thanks all.

[azda]

Just wanted some opinions of this coin, is this a rare type, it states "beaded border" rare? Is it? Must admit, its in a really good grade, i don't normally buy copper, but would only for rare types, hence my question.

Thanks all.

If anyone has the KM book here's the number KM # 748.1

[Red Riley]

It is beaded border but not rare as such. Being the first of their type, many were hoarded and hence the survivors tend to be loaded towards the high quality end. I don't have the latest price guide, but would guess that it is worth £120 odd. Nice coin.

[scott]

yea i wouldn't say rare, but nice none the less.

i have one, with die errors

[azda]

It is beaded border but not rare as such. Being the first of their type, many were hoarded and hence the survivors tend to be loaded towards the high quality end. I don't have the latest price guide, but would guess that it is worth £120 odd. Nice coin.

It says in the sellers text that its EF/Unc, i'd go along with that, i'm just not a copper buyer, but for something rareish i'd make the exception, he also has a 1 penny 1863 UNC and he also says it's rare but i'm wondering why, i'll upload the pix and hopefully someone could tell me

[azda]

Rev 1863 penny

Edited January 24, 2010 by azda

[Guest reluctant_numismatist]

What's the asking price?

[Peckris]

It is beaded border but not rare as such. Being the first of their type, many were hoarded and hence the survivors tend to be loaded towards the high quality end. I don't have the latest price guide, but would guess that it is worth £120 odd. Nice coin.

It says in the sellers text that its EF/Unc, i'd go along with that, i'm just not a copper buyer, but for something rareish i'd make the exception, he also has a 1 penny 1863 UNC and he also says it's rare but i'm wondering why, i'll upload the pix and hopefully someone could tell me

1860 halfpennies are the only 'beaded border' bronze denomination where the beaded variety is notably less scarce than the toothed variety. Toothed 1860s are even more scarce than the price guides indicate, and actually rare in top grade.

The 1863 penny is a nice looking coin, but it is one of the commonest early dates for bronze bun pennies - in fact, unless rare varieties, 1860 - 63 are as common as you get until the 1880s. ALL buns are collectible in that grade though, so it's worth a punt if the price is right. (There are a couple of immensely rare 1863 varieties, but that isn't one).

Edited January 24, 2010 by Peckris

[azda]

It is beaded border but not rare as such. Being the first of their type, many were hoarded and hence the survivors tend to be loaded towards the high quality end. I don't have the latest price guide, but would guess that it is worth £120 odd. Nice coin.

It says in the sellers text that its EF/Unc, i'd go along with that, i'm just not a copper buyer, but for something rareish i'd make the exception, he also has a 1 penny 1863 UNC and he also says it's rare but i'm wondering why, i'll upload the pix and hopefully someone could tell me

1860 halfpennies are the only 'beaded border' bronze denomination where the beaded variety is notably less scarce than the toothed variety. Toothed 1860s are even more scarce than the price guides indicate, and actually rare in top grade.

The 1863 penny is a nice looking coin, but it is one of the commonest early dates for bronze bun pennies - in fact, unless rare varieties, 1860 - 63 are as common as you get until the 1880s. ALL buns are collectible in that grade though, so it's worth a punt if the price is right. (There are a couple of immensely rare 1863 varieties, but that isn't one).

The penny is €160 and the half is €65

[Peckris]

It is beaded border but not rare as such. Being the first of their type, many were hoarded and hence the survivors tend to be loaded towards the high quality end. I don't have the latest price guide, but would guess that it is worth £120 odd. Nice coin.

It says in the sellers text that its EF/Unc, i'd go along with that, i'm just not a copper buyer, but for something rareish i'd make the exception, he also has a 1 penny 1863 UNC and he also says it's rare but i'm wondering why, i'll upload the pix and hopefully someone could tell me

1860 halfpennies are the only 'beaded border' bronze denomination where the beaded variety is notably less scarce than the toothed variety. Toothed 1860s are even more scarce than the price guides indicate, and actually rare in top grade.

The 1863 penny is a nice looking coin, but it is one of the commonest early dates for bronze bun pennies - in fact, unless rare varieties, 1860 - 63 are as common as you get until the 1880s. ALL buns are collectible in that grade though, so it's worth a punt if the price is right. (There are a couple of immensely rare 1863 varieties, but that isn't one).

The penny is €160 and the half is €65

That's .. . what ...? £120 the penny and £45-£50 the halfpenny? I'd say that's a fair price for the penny (it looks AU lustre?), or very fair if you believe the prices in eBay at the moment. The halfpenny is a weak strike obverse, and has what looks like a disfiguring fingerprint on the reverse, so I'm less sure about that. I wouldn't want to pay more than EF for it, which CCGB gives as £35. Your call though.

[azda]

Yeah i saw the huge thumbprint on the halfpenny, think i'll leave them both, still not keen on copper, i just wondered why they were rare, still not sure why the penny is rare though

[Peckris]

Yeah i saw the huge thumbprint on the halfpenny, think i'll leave them both, still not keen on copper, i just wondered why they were rare, still not sure why the penny is rare though

Technically they are not rare - but I suppose a vendor could argue that ANY early bun penny in that grade is rare. I'm not convinced myself - though I'm sure the penny is a reasonable buy at the price.

[Rob]

I'm not sure it is a thumbprint on the 1/2d because I can't see any fingerprint detail and the mark covers the lower points whilst missing the high relief ones. It looks more like attack by a corrosive liquid to me if the consistent colour is reliable.