1887 sixpence jeb on truncation rarety

[chris]

hi

just a quick question, is the 1887 sixpence with jeb on truncation a rare coin. obviously it is the withdrawn shield type and how much would one of these be valued at about ef condition

thanks

[azda]

I have 2 of these, 1 in UNC and the other EF in the CCGB book Chris has it at between 125 and 200 for UNC and 75 for EF Spink has 250 UNC and 115 EF

[chris]

I have 2 of these, 1 in UNC and the other EF in the CCGB book Chris has it at between 125 and 200 for UNC and 75 for EF Spink has 250 UNC and 115 EF

thanks for the reply suprising the difference in value from a normal dated coin

[azda]

Well according to the CCGB book it was withdrawn because it was to similar in design to the half sovereign, it says at least 1 person was charged with gold pating the sixpence in order to pass it off as a half sovereign, so perhaps a small mintage before it was withdrawn

[Chris Perkins]

No, the withdrawn type is very common (without JEB). I think probably more common than the 'SIX PENCE' type.

[azda]

I have 2 with JEB, 1 UNC and the other in EF. Got the EF for €8 :-)

[chris]

I have 2 with JEB, 1 UNC and the other in EF. Got the EF for €8 :-)

from what i have seen on these types of coins here is the types i know of

1887 young head

1887 j head without jeb (chris described this earlier)

1887 j head with jeb on shoulder (this is the one i am wondering is rare)

1887 j head with jeb below shoulder (ive seeen loads of these myself)

and last 1887 wreath

[Chris Perkins]

No, that was wrong! I meant common with the JEB right off the Truncation! There isn't one with no JEB.

[chris]

No, that was wrong! I meant common with the JEB right off the Truncation! There isn't one with no JEB.

lol sorry chris. my bad

right i have one with jeb on her shoulder here is a photo of it

am i right by saying this is worth a lot more

[chris]

and the common one

[Chris Perkins]

lol sorry chris. my bad

right i have one with jeb on her shoulder here is a photo of it

am i right by saying this is worth a lot more

Yes, that's the scarcer one. What about a nice big pic of the whole coin so we can assess grade.

[Peckris]

I have 2 with JEB, 1 UNC and the other in EF. Got the EF for €8 :-)

from what i have seen on these types of coins here is the types i know of

1887 young head

1887 j head without jeb (chris described this earlier)

1887 j head with jeb on shoulder (this is the one i am wondering is rare)

1887 j head with jeb below shoulder (ive seeen loads of these myself)

and last 1887 wreath

There is also a (very rare?) variety of the Wreath reverse, which you can see in Unconfirmed Unlisted Varieties in this forum. The first 8 of the date is over a higher 8, and the 7 is twice as far from the second 8 as on the normal variety. So far, my copy is the only one I've ever seen of this. I'm hoping to find other people who also have one (not too many, obviously!)

[azda]

Well, here is mine in all her glory (Obverse)

[azda]

And reverse

[azda]

I will upload 4 pix tomorrow of my 2 new coins i got today, most pleased with both, George IIII Halfcrowns 1820 and 1828, need some daylight to do them justice.

I think i need to reduce my sixpence picture sizes lol, sorry they are so big

Edited January 18, 2010 by azda

[chris]

Well, here is mine in all her glory (Obverse)

no this is not the version of the coin i have the j.e.b on the coin is higher up. if you look at the small ptotos i have uploaded the j.e.b is embedded on her shoulder. i have this version though aswell

nice photos by the way

[azda]

Well, here is mine in all her glory (Obverse)

no this is not the version of the coin i have the j.e.b on the coin is higher up. if you look at the small ptotos i have uploaded the j.e.b is embedded on her shoulder. i have this version though aswell

nice photos by the way

Your pix are quite small and hard to see, can you upload better ones?

[chris]

sorry this is the best i can get at the mo as my scanners playin up and this gives the coin no justice if you look at yours and then mine you will see that the j.e.b is on her shoulder where yours is below

[chris]

sorry this is the best i can get at the mo as my scanners playin up and this gives the coin no justice if you look at yours and then mine you will see that the j.e.b is on her shoulder where yours is below

coin is a little grubby but the quality of the photo is just horrid soon as i fix the problem il do a proper hi res scan

Edited January 18, 2010 by chris

[azda]

sorry this is the best i can get at the mo as my scanners playin up and this gives the coin no justice if you look at yours and then mine you will see that the j.e.b is on her shoulder where yours is below

coin is a little grubby but the quality of the photo is just horrid soon as i fix the problem il do a proper hi res scan

Yeah i see where yours is different to mine

[Badger]

Hi Chris, are you sure that you don't have a Shilling? All 1887 Jubilee Shillings have JEB on Trunc. The bust on the coin you have pictued is far too high (further from the border teeth) to be a Sixpence. The Jubilee bust on the Sixpences basically sits ontop of the border teeth.

Badger

[chris]

indeed it is a sixpence what you will notice is the shoulder is a lot more smoother than a shilling and it also seems that the strike seems to be poorer than a shilling

heres another example of another jeb on truncation here

which is exactly the same as mine but obviously not as good condition. lol

[Badger]

Hi Chris, here are the scans of my Sixpence with JEB on the truncation and a Shilling, you can clearly see the difference in heights and shape of the bust from the rim and the relation of the letters to the Crown at the top of the coin. If your picture is of a Sixpence with the same obverse as a Shilling it must be a new unrecorded type. Could you post a picture with your JEB ON and JEB BELOW next to each other for comparison please.

SIXPENCE

SHILLING

Regards

Badger

[Badger]

Hi again, here ia a scan of the Sixpence and Shilling next to each other. Notice on the Sixpence that the cross on the crown overlaps the border teeth but on the Shilling it is well clear of the border teeth.

Badger

[chris]

thanks. got the coin through yesterday. the git took a scan of a shilling and in the end sent a bloody norm sixpence. i can say i was not impressed with him.

never mind the hunt goes on