Some new error coins.

[Hussulo]

I have recently added some new error coins to my error collection. Including a nice 1723 double struck farthing bought from Rob at www.rpcoins.co.uk. thanks Rob.

Link below:

Hussulo's Error coins

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[Ch2toWm4]

And 2 full dates!

[scottishmoney]

You have to love these early coppers

[Teg]

Hi,

some nice coins there!

I like the farthing and am trying to understand how these happened. It's triple not double struck isn't it?

Do you have the size and weight of the coin?

One last question - your avatar, why is it a farthing die trial, not a sovereign die?

Thanks

Teg

[Rob]

Hi,

some nice coins there!

I like the farthing and am trying to understand how these happened. It's triple not double struck isn't it?

Do you have the size and weight of the coin?

One last question - your avatar, why is it a farthing die trial, not a sovereign die?

Thanks

Teg

It's 23.8-24.6mm diameter, 1.2-1.4 thick on the rims, 1.5mm thick in the centre, wt. 4.75g. I thought initially it was double struck, then triple struck, but then reverted to double struck. It's a bit of a mess.

[Chris Perkins]

I've got one of those 50p blank planchets, but mine has a raised rim like the finished coin. How much did you pay for yours?

[Hussulo]

I've got one of those 50p blank planchets, but mine has a raised rim like the finished coin. How much did you pay for yours?

Yours would be a T2 Planchet Chris.

There are two types of blank planchets:

Type 1 - Planchets which have just been produced and are newly cut.

Type 2 - Planchets which have been cut and then been through the next stage (softening process) which then display rims.

I paid about £9 for it. I would like to have one of each type of major error.

Hi,

some nice coins there!

I like the farthing and am trying to understand how these happened. It's triple not double struck isn't it?

Do you have the size and weight of the coin?

One last question - your avatar, why is it a farthing die trial, not a sovereign die?

Thanks

Teg

Hi Teg,

I was told it was an fathing trial when I bought it. It is also the correct size weight for a farthing of that period.

[Teg]

Hi,

some nice coins there!

I like the farthing and am trying to understand how these happened. It's triple not double struck isn't it?

Do you have the size and weight of the coin?

One last question - your avatar, why is it a farthing die trial, not a sovereign die?

Thanks

Teg

It's 23.8-24.6mm diameter, 1.2-1.4 thick on the rims, 1.5mm thick in the centre, wt. 4.75g. I thought initially it was double struck, then triple struck, but then reverted to double struck. It's a bit of a mess.

Hmm,

Thanks for that. For that diameter, and that thickness it's not that heavy - but definitely in the regal range.

I can only explain the B in Britannia as a triple strike. I have seen a similar 1724 double strike, these tend to look similar to the 'manufactured' bouncers of George III counterfeits. The date doubling seems almost too good. Mint employees fooling about? Damn nice coin whatever it is!

Teg

[Emperor Oli]

I paid about £9 for it.

Well done!

[Teg]

One last question - your avatar, why is it a farthing die trial, not a sovereign die?

Thanks

Teg

[Rob]

Thanks for that. For that diameter, and that thickness it's not that heavy - but definitely in the regal range.

I can only explain the B in Britannia as a triple strike. I have seen a similar 1724 double strike, these tend to look similar to the 'manufactured' bouncers of George III counterfeits. The date doubling seems almost too good. Mint employees fooling about? Damn nice coin whatever it is!

Teg

It was the B that made me think initially it was triply struck, but the inner circle coincides with the centre line of the B and creates an illusion. If the "middle" B was the top, traces of the serif would still be present but they're not.

[Hussulo]

Teg,

I too thought the B might be triple struck at first, but I think the middle B is actually the bottom half of the first B. I shall try to get a close up of the date on the trial farthing for you.

[Hussulo]

Teg,

I too thought the B might be triple struck at first, but I think the middle B is actually the bottom half of the first B. I shall try to get a close up of the date on the trial farthing for you.

[Teg]

Teg,

I too thought the B might be triple struck at first, but I think the middle B is actually the bottom half of the first B. I shall try to get a close up of the date on the trial farthing for you.

Thanks Rob and Hussulo - I see what you mean about the doubling, I sure you are correct.

The 'trial farthing' date seems to be the same as my 1838 farthings- and pictures that I can find of 1838 sovereigns.

No surprise really as this must have been struck from a positive patrix (or working punch), that was then used to produce negative coining dies (that would look exactly like your trial).

This I assume was a test that the positive patrix was OK. It would have been wasteful - and unnecessary to produce this in gold - when the copper blanks were available. So the fact that it is copper does not mean its a farthing!?.

As much, if not more, of a sovereign trial as a farthing trial I would think.

Double cool.

Teg

[Hussulo]

Teg,

I too thought the B might be triple struck at first, but I think the middle B is actually the bottom half of the first B. I shall try to get a close up of the date on the trial farthing for you.

Thanks Rob and Hussulo - I see what you mean about the doubling, I sure you are correct.

The 'trial farthing' date seems to be the same as my 1838 farthings- and pictures that I can find of 1838 sovereigns.

No surprise really as this must have been struck from a positive patrix (or working punch), that was then used to produce negative coining dies (that would look exactly like your trial).

This I assume was a test that the positive patrix was OK. It would have been wasteful - and unnecessary to produce this in gold - when the copper blanks were available. So the fact that it is copper does not mean its a farthing!?.

As much, if not more, of a sovereign trial as a farthing trial I would think.

Double cool.

Teg

You have got a point Teg. It may have been a sovereign trial.