1882 NO H Penny

[BronzeVF]

Hi I have just joined the forum because I would like to ask a question concerning the 1882 No H penny.

If a coin has all the details below and no Heaton mint mark is it certain to be a London minted coin?

Obverse:

- R & I don’t touch.

- the tuft of hair which is not on the Heaton minted examples.

- The hair ribbon which does not terminate in a point like the heaton coins.

- Victoria has a hooked nose compared to the straighter bridge of the nose displayed on the Heaton coins.

Reverse:

- 186 border teeth with 13 teeth between 1 and 2.

- thinner waist/ trident shaft.

many thanks in advance.

 

[PWA 1967]

One thing that stands out is the date width as should be 14 Teeth ( NOT 13 ) and also the possibility of the last digit being altered from a 3.

Maybe post clear pictures as there is a lot more knowledgeable collectors on here than me and will be able to give there opinion.

 

[secret santa]

Yes, there is no substitute for pictures of the actual coin.

[BronzeVF]

1 hour ago, PWA 1967 said:

One thing that stands out is the date width as should be 14 Teeth ( NOT 13 ) and also the possibility of the last digit being altered from a 3.

Maybe post clear pictures as there is a lot more knowledgeable collectors on here than me and will be able to give there opinion.

 

Hi, thanks ! yes, Including the tooth in line with the (1)882 14 teeth yes.

The 1883 obverse from what I have seen shows the hair ribbon terminating in a point to the knot unlike the 1882 no H. Also the 1883 doesnt have the tuft of hair which is shown on all the examples, worn coins show this.

I have read about worn or altered F111 (P+p), F114 (R+p),F115 (R+r) none of those pairings have the identifiers F112 (Gouby (P+r); Freeman 11+N)

 

[PWA 1967]

You seem to know what you have 👍

These are the other pictured known examples off Richards site to compare.

https://rarestpennies.wordpress.com/1882-f112/ 

[BronzeVF]

2 minutes ago, PWA 1967 said:

You seem to know what you have 👍

These are the other pictured known examples off Richards site to compare.

https://rarestpennies.wordpress.com/1882-f112/ 

Thanks, I have been studying all of those images. I have used the main identifier for the obverse shown on Richards site being the R & I that don’t touch.

And for the reverse the thinner waist/ trident shaft. ( If you draw a line from the nose of Brittania down to by her waist you can clearly see a wider gap on the no H compared to the heaton coins) then I have used the other identifiers for the P+r to confirm the main two.

 

[jelida]

Sounds good, but we still need photos!

Jerry