Citizen H Posted February 11 Posted February 11 After showing some of the hoard of silver coins and becoming a bit repetitive I decided it may be good time to look at some of the gold coins. the few I have were dismissed by one dealer as they were rubbed..... I did pick them up when I was uneducated and purely as it was very old and imagine who owned it, what it paid for etc.... so I was more about history rather than the financial reason...... although the price of gold may have seen these increase 4 times ?!?! realistically I wouldn't be able to buy them nowadays. reading from the following on how many that were melted down? so even though its rubbed...it survived. Id be really interest not only to see what made of mine and to also see others.... I did have a brief look to see if mine had Mint marks....errrrmmm I think someone else may need to take a look please do show some of yours to get things started on this topic....Many thanks "H" In the Great Recoinage of 1816, the guinea was demonetised and replaced by the gold sovereign. Following the Great Recoinage, the word "guinea" was retained as a colloquial or specialised term, even though the coins were no longer in use; the term guinea also survived as a unit of account in some fields. Notable usages included professional fees (medical, legal, etc.), which were often invoiced in guineas, and horse racing and greyhound racing, and the sale of rams. In each case a guinea meant an amount of one pound and one shilling (21 shillings, £1.05 in decimal notation) Quote
Paddy Posted February 11 Posted February 11 It would be interesting to see what you have. I don't really collect gold, although I have a few odds and ends. I know from my market days many "guineas" brought to me were actually 19th century gaming tokens in brass, loosely imitating the by then defunct guinea coins. The only pre-sovereign British gold coin I have is this third guinea from 1810: 4 Quote
Paddy Posted February 11 Posted February 11 I am surprised the 1810 third Guinea has garnered so many likes - it looks too rough for me! I like this Victoria 1872 Sovereign much more. I bought it originally during my dealing days and sold it straight on to a friend. A few years later, he needed cash and offered it back to me at the original price. Gold had gone up substantially in the meantime, so I gave him more but I think it was still a good deal and I have kept it since then. 2 Quote
Citizen H Posted February 11 Author Posted February 11 (edited) Hello Paddy, Third guinea from 1810: with a Rarity index: 72 (0 being common 100 V Rare) Auction sales sees this as a price £ 300 AU £ 530 uncirculated.... Mints: Royal Mint (Tower Hill), London, United Kingdom (1810-1975) Royal Mint (Tower of London), United Kingdom (1279-1810) Engraver: Lewis Pingo Demonetized This much I've found out...... All the best "H" Edited February 11 by Citizen H 1 Quote
Citizen H Posted February 11 Author Posted February 11 22 minutes ago, Paddy said: I am surprised the 1810 third Guinea has garnered so many likes - it looks too rough for me! I like this Victoria 1872 Sovereign much more. I bought it originally during my dealing days and sold it straight on to a friend. A few years later, he needed cash and offered it back to me at the original price. Gold had gone up substantially in the meantime, so I gave him more but I think it was still a good deal and I have kept it since then. Victoria 1872 Sovereign Rarity index: 26 (0 being common 100 V Rare) for issues with mintmark below wreath, see Australia - Colonial (M = Melbourne mint, S = Sydney mint) A die error is known to exist: Obverse with "GRΛTIΛ" instead of "GRATIA" Obverse, reverse and overdate varieties exist: Without die number, Die number below wreath, Additional raised line on lower part of ribbon (Ansell type) Royal Mint (Tower Hill), London, United Kingdom (1810-1975) Engraver: Jean Baptiste Merlen £ 640 VF £ 640 XF £ 640 AU £ 840 UNC (sales realized on Internet platforms) Mintage 13 486 708 Hope this helps........ Rgds "H" 1 Quote
Citizen H Posted February 13 Author Posted February 13 The first I'd like to show is a worn Charles II, 1676 Guinea 4th bust, Type Standard circulation coins Years1672-1684 Engraver: John Roettier Auction sales sees this as a price realized on Internet platforms £ 760 VF £ 2000 AU Rarity index: 93 (0 being common 100 V Rare) Demonetized 1860 Sadly this is all I've found out... unsure of were these were minted.... Quote
Citizen H Posted February 15 Author Posted February 15 George I 1719 Standard circulation coin Rarity index: 92 (0 being common 100 V Rare) Engraver: Johann Ochs Note: tie in hair with loop and 1 end Years 1716-1723 Extremely rare varieties with elephant and castle below head struck from gold mined in Guinea, now Ghana Auction sales price....to be advised. This much I've found out...... All the best "H" 1 Quote
Sword Posted February 16 Posted February 16 The colour doesn't look realistic for gold pieces though. I hope they look a lot more yellow (like Paddy's sovereign) in real life. Quote
Citizen H Posted February 17 Author Posted February 17 (edited) 21 hours ago, Sword said: The colour doesn't look realistic for gold pieces though. I hope they look a lot more yellow (like Paddy's sovereign) in real life. Hello Sword, it was an over cast day the photos were taken, they live in a plastic sleeve thats been maybe 20 odd years ago so could be why they dis colour ? they were bought from Coins of the Realm and found them to be reputable.... unless anyone else knows other wise? Edited February 17 by Citizen H Quote
Citizen H Posted February 17 Author Posted February 17 George II 1733 Young portrait Standard circulation coins 1734-1739 Obverse Engraver: John Croker Reverse Engraver: John Tanner Rarity index: 93 (0 being common 100 V Rare) Auction sales price....to be advised. All the best "H" Quote
Citizen H Posted February 18 Author Posted February 18 On 2/11/2025 at 7:10 PM, Paddy said: I am surprised the 1810 third Guinea has garnered so many likes - it looks too rough for me! I like this Victoria 1872 Sovereign much more. I bought it originally during my dealing days and sold it straight on to a friend. A few years later, he needed cash and offered it back to me at the original price. Gold had gone up substantially in the meantime, so I gave him more but I think it was still a good deal and I have kept it since then. hello Paddy, more delving into Sovereigns has provided more information Minting error in the word 'BRITANNIARUM'. A reversed Roman numeral '1' has been used instead of the second letter 'I'. yours has 15 above the rose that's a London Mint number, interestingly I've found that x 2 of mine have S, Sydney Australia mint mark. another uneducated purchase on my part that turned out nicely. 1 Quote
Sword Posted February 18 Posted February 18 On 2/17/2025 at 9:12 AM, Citizen H said: Hello Sword, it was an over cast day the photos were taken, they live in a plastic sleeve thats been maybe 20 odd years ago so could be why they dis colour ? they were bought from Coins of the Realm and found them to be reputable.... unless anyone else knows other wise? Should be fine if they were brought from a reputable dealer. Gold brought 20 years ago would be a decent investment. 1 Quote
Citizen H Posted February 18 Author Posted February 18 (edited) George II 1734 2nd young portrait Standard circulation coins 1729-1738 Engraver: John Croker Script Engraver: John Tanner Obverse varieties with E.I.C. under the head were struck from gold mined in Guinea, now Ghana, and supplied by the East India Company. Rarity index: 92 (0 being common 100 V Rare) Auction sales price....to be advised. All the best "H" Edited February 18 by Citizen H Quote
Citizen H Posted February 18 Author Posted February 18 (edited) On 2/17/2025 at 10:03 AM, Citizen H said: George II 1733 Young portrait Standard circulation coins 1734-1739 Obverse Engraver: John Croker Reverse Engraver: John Tanner Rarity index: 93 (0 being common 100 V Rare) Auction sales price....to be advised. All the best "H" A correction..... Sorry I miss the deadline to edit the post when I noticed the date/portrait error , although this can be confusing depending on the source of information... I've been using Numista....please do tell me if its not a reliable place. this is actually a 1 Guinea - George II 2nd young portrait, Standard circulation coins 1729-1738 All the best "H" Edited February 18 by Citizen H Quote
Rob Posted February 18 Posted February 18 Get yourself a copy of Coins of England as this gives the most comprehensive coverage from Celtic through to the modern day. It doesn't have to be the latest (2025) unless you want ballpark current prices. For id purposes, any copy from the last 15 years would be fine, but bear in mind they split the pre-decimal and decimal coins in 2015. Any copy 2014 or earlier has them combined. Go too early and the picture quality and quantity are somewhat lacking. 2 Quote
Citizen H Posted February 19 Author Posted February 19 George III 1773 3rd portrait Standard circulation coins 1765-1773 Rarity index: 92 (0 being common 100 V Rare) Past sales, 2 Jan 2025 Heritage Auctions VF GBP 618.45 Quote
Citizen H Posted February 20 Author Posted February 20 (edited) George III 'Spade' Guinea 1797 5th portrait Standard circulation coins 1787-1799 Engraver: Lewis Pingo Rarity index: 45 (0 being common 100 V Rare) Auction sales price £ 620 VF £ 680 XF £ 760 AU (sales realized on Internet platforms) Edited February 20 by Citizen H Quote
Citizen H Posted February 26 Author Posted February 26 George III 1803 half guinea 6th portrait Standard circulation coins 1801-1803 Rarity index: 87 (0 being common 100 V Rare) Auction sales price £ 420 AU £ 1200 UNC Quote
Citizen H Posted March 17 Author Posted March 17 George III 1804 half guinea 7th portrait Standard circulation coin 1804-1813 Engraver: Lewis Pingo Numista Rarity index: 83 Auction sales price AU £ 580 UNC £ 750 Quote
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