Citizen H Posted January 9 Posted January 9 good morning, So Ive had a look and I think this may be right ? ? ? 2 x Penny's Edward III 1327-1377 Its still early days taking this all in, Stuart many thanks for all your guidance its been a great help. and do please keep me updated where its going wrong. I'm finding others that have dates on them and you can make out who the king is, aha! it will hopefully keep you all still interested. All the very best "H" Quote
jelida Posted January 9 Posted January 9 Well the one on the left has two circles of lettering on reverse, and is either a groat or halfgroat, probably the latter given its size though it is quite clipped. London mint and probably Edward III. The pellets between the letters of TAS are interesting. The other looks to me a penny of Edward I/II, bifoliate crown. But I’ll leave more detail to others better informed. Jerry 3 Quote
Coinery Posted January 9 Posted January 9 I was just going to say…Ed III Halfgroat, the obverse congestion of devices the decider for me but, as said, it’s clipped. The second is a class 10 Edward I Penny 1300-1310. This class merges with the coinage of Edward II (1307) a little bit, though numismatically his coinage is agreed to commence at class 11. 1 Quote
Citizen H Posted January 9 Author Posted January 9 2 hours ago, jelida said: Well the one on the left has two circles of lettering on reverse, and is either a groat or halfgroat, probably the latter given its size though it is quite clipped. London mint and probably Edward III. The pellets between the letters of TAS are interesting. The other looks to me a penny of Edward I/II, bifoliate crown. But I’ll leave more detail to others better informed. Jerry Many Thanks for all of this information, its really helpful, many thanks "H" 1 Quote
Citizen H Posted January 9 Author Posted January 9 2 hours ago, Coinery said: I was just going to say…Ed III Halfgroat, the obverse congestion of devices the decider for me but, as said, it’s clipped. The second is a class 10 Edward I Penny 1300-1310. This class merges with the coinage of Edward II (1307) a little bit, though numismatically his coinage is agreed to commence at class 11. once again Many Thanks Stuart for all of this information, its really helpful, things have gotten better with some of the others I have been looking at, Ironically I was talking Groats the other day and there you go, one turns out to be a groat. Doh! many thanks "H" Quote
Martinminerva Posted January 9 Posted January 9 28 minutes ago, Citizen H said: one turns out to be a groat. It's a half groat - two pence. 1 Quote
Citizen H Posted January 9 Author Posted January 9 1 hour ago, Martinminerva said: It's a half groat - two pence. this place and wealth of knowledge is awesome, i can see I have a long way to go......but I'm at the right place! 58 and still learning carries on, many many thanks "H" 1 Quote
scottishmoney Posted January 9 Posted January 9 The one on the left, likely a half-groat, circulated for a very long time to get to that state. And the earliest monarch it could be would be EIII as half groats were not minted before his reign. 1 Quote
Citizen H Posted March 31 Author Posted March 31 Back to the top of this post 9th of Jan, I incorrectly listed these as 2 x Penny's Edward III 1327-1377....... Today I've found another of what I now think is a 1 Penny - Edward I, class 10? ( I have the dates as 1300-1310... other places I read it as in circulation 1301-1305 ?) long cross Pattee, or Potent ? please shout out if this different from the other one previously posted, from the collection point of view it would be nice to have one that's different. many thanks "H" Quote
Citizen H Posted April 1 Author Posted April 1 (edited) 14 hours ago, Coinery said: A Canterbury Class 9 penny 👍 Many thanks for this, so one is Canterbury class 9, the other is Class 10... would this be Canterbury? or Calais , London?? with these I read somewhere , "No mintmarks were issued during the reign of Edward I, II. A system combination of Mint place names and Moneyer's was used" errrrrmmm? How?? many many thanks "H" Edited April 1 by Citizen H Quote
Sylvester Posted April 1 Posted April 1 Edward I era pennies, the mint is stated in the reverse legend. The Class 9 is Canterbury - CIVITAS CANTOR The Class 10 is London - CIVITAS LONDON Quote
Citizen H Posted April 1 Author Posted April 1 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sylvester said: Edward I era pennies, the mint is stated in the reverse legend. The Class 9 is Canterbury - CIVITAS CANTOR The Class 10 is London - CIVITAS LONDON many thanks, I think I can now make out the London and the Civitas Cantor Canterbury I can see it clearly now this is pointed out, ....its been a great help and still finding more that I'm working though Civitas is a Latin word that means citizenship, state, or city-state. hence CIVITAS CANTOR = Canterbury CIVITAS LONDON . All the very best "H" 👍 Edited April 1 by Citizen H Quote
Sylvester Posted April 2 Posted April 2 CIVITAS also means city in this context. You may even find some Edward pennies that state VILLA, or town. I believe Bristol would be one such example. Pre-Edward I coins normally state the moneyer and the town/city. So if you have any Long Cross or Short Cross pennies, they state things like: WILLELM ON LUND (William of London), RICARD ON WINC (Richard of Winchester), ROGER ON NICOLE (Roger of Lincoln) etc. You can find whole lists of moneyers that are currently known about - coin books/internet sites etc. 1 Quote
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