Roman silver id

[craigy]

i think this is a denarius, maybe a republic one, has been soaking for a few weeks 

[copper123]

Is this a detector find by any chance?

[Unwilling Numismatist]

I'm not sure about silver - silvered perhaps.

Someone on a horse with another person on the ground below them - it rings a bell, one I've obviously looked for in the past... just can't seem to clear the brain fog at the moment.

 

[jelida]

The style of the horse and rider isn’t particularly Roman, and it would be unusual for a denarius to become quite so corroded; can we see the other side? The portrait should be reasonably discernible if the horse is.

Jerry

[Unwilling Numismatist]

It's fairly common in the BC's, 85-30 ish, but those coins would definitely be solid silver - potentially a contemporary forgery but the obverse might present a few more clues before I'd commit to any more.

 

[jelida]

18 minutes ago, Unwilling Numismatist said:

It's fairly common in the BC's, 85-30 ish, but those coins would definitely be solid silver - potentially a contemporary forgery but the obverse might present a few more clues before I'd commit to any more.

 

What I mean is the deep chested, short legged style of horse. Was there a moneyer Thelwellius?

But a denarius or copy remains quite possible. Obverse please.

Jerry

[craigy]

yes detector find, will get a picture of the otherside, 

[Unwilling Numismatist]

3 hours ago, jelida said:

What I mean is the deep chested, short legged style of horse.

Yes Jerry, Fonteia (sp?) about 85BC shoulld be a reasonable example.

 

As for the moneyer, oesn't ring a bell.

[secret santa]

1 hour ago, Unwilling Numismatist said:

As for the moneyer, doesn't ring a bell.

I think that Jerry is suggesting you Google "Thelwell".........

[Peckris 2]

[Unwilling Numismatist]

45 minutes ago, secret santa said:

I think that Jerry is suggesting you Google "Thelwell".........

The rushing noise I heard... it was that subtlety whizzing right past me

 

[craigy]

looks to be struck off center, i'm sure there is a good coin under that crud, my camera is rubbish 

Edited November 2, 2018 by craigy

[craigy]

this was it when i found it , defo silver, never seen a bronze like that 

[craigy]

13 hours ago, Unwilling Numismatist said:

It's fairly common in the BC's, 85-30 ish, but those coins would definitely be solid silver - potentially a contemporary forgery but the obverse might present a few more clues before I'd commit to any more.

 

think your on the right track,

thats 5 dennies and a silliqua from this area of the field in 2 years,    yet they didnt show for 6 years,  i was thinking a disturbed hoard  but they are too far apart to be a scattered or disturbed hoard,  had this Hadrian one since lots of pottery and some nice chunks of samian ware as well,  

[jelida]

1 hour ago, craigy said:

think your on the right track,

thats 5 dennies and a silliqua from this area of the field in 2 years,    yet they didnt show for 6 years,  i was thinking a disturbed hoard  but they are too far apart to be a scattered or disturbed hoard,  had this Hadrian one since lots of pottery and some nice chunks of samian ware as well,  

Interesting that the Hadrian is a plated coin, probably though not always I understand a contemporary forgery. The original coin is indeed a denarius, it looks largely to have corroded to horn silver. 

Nice finds. I haven’t had a denarius for several years, but did find a superb siliqua of Magnentius on a club rally in 2017.

Jerry

Edited November 2, 2018 by jelida

[Unwilling Numismatist]

Righty - I was rightish and wrong I think ....

It definitely looks lik a Fonteia denarius, however ... it's infant genius riding a GOAT!

 

http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/sear5/s0271.html

 

Edited November 2, 2018 by Unwilling Numismatist
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[craigy]

1 hour ago, Unwilling Numismatist said:

Righty - I was rightish and wrong I think ....

It definitely looks lik a Fonteia denarius, however ... it's infant genius riding a GOAT!

 

http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/sear5/s0271.html

 

dunno looks more horse to me 

 

[Peckris 2]

3 minutes ago, craigy said:

dunno looks more horse to me 

 

A double horned horse? 

As to the find, the 'horse' (if such it be) looks very much bigger than the goat shown on the Sears Fonteia piece. But it does look a promising possibility. 

[craigy]

1 minute ago, Peckris 2 said:

A double horned horse? 

As to the find, the 'horse' (if such it be) looks very much bigger than the goat shown on the Sears Fonteia piece. But it does look a promising possibility. 

i meant the animal depicted on my coin, not the one in the link kindly provided by UW 

[Peckris 2]

2 minutes ago, craigy said:

i meant the animal depicted on my coin, not the one in the link kindly provided by UW 

Ah, I get it now. It nevertheless looks very much bigger than the one depicted. Maybe it's a variant, I'm sure I can make out the FON part of the legend, and possibly the M in front? 

[Unwilling Numismatist]

There a quite few varieties, that one was easiest to find, but they vary in size as all good Roman designs do.

Alternative horse related varieties are out there, but the legend/obverse bust / reverse design all look about right for it to be this.

Here is a larger "horse" 

rinky-dink

 

also

wildwinds Fonteia varieties (with a Goarse)

Edited November 2, 2018 by Unwilling Numismatist