1949threepence Posted January 17, 2018 Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) Unlike some coins originally touted as having >5 examples, this coin never seems to have become any more common, by fresh specimens being discovered. In the October 1984 Freeman auction booklet, the Freeman 19, which was in a lot (No 14), with an F18 and an F20, incredibly, remained unsold at the auction. Although perhaps not incredible at that time. Any rate, the one on offer on that occasion was described as "very worn but design discernible, one of two known specimens". Richard has a photo of one on his rarest pennies website, described as "held in a private collection (thought to be unique)" - although if the Freeman catalogue is to be believed, there is at least one more somewhere. Or has anybody come across others? Just curious as to why no further specimens of an F19 have ever come to light in all these years. Edited January 17, 2018 by 1949threepence 1 Quote
terrysoldpennies Posted January 18, 2018 Posted January 18, 2018 Hi Mike . It was Bernie who supplied the photo of the F17 to Richard, so maybe he would know more about this penny. Terry 1 Quote
1949threepence Posted January 18, 2018 Author Posted January 18, 2018 37 minutes ago, terrysoldpennies said: Hi Mike . It was Bernie who supplied the photo of the F17 to Richard, so maybe he would know more about this penny. Terry Thanks Terry. Quote
Mr T Posted January 18, 2018 Posted January 18, 2018 Is the one that didn't sell in the Michael Freeman collection the one at https://rarestpennies.wordpress.com/1861-f19/? Quote
1949threepence Posted January 18, 2018 Author Posted January 18, 2018 13 minutes ago, Mr T said: Is the one that didn't sell in the Michael Freeman collection the one at https://rarestpennies.wordpress.com/1861-f19/? I don't know. As Terry indicates, maybe Bernie can cast more light on the situation. Quote
PWA 1967 Posted January 18, 2018 Posted January 18, 2018 i may be wrong but sure i heard one was that low grade it was never proven and written off . Quote
1949threepence Posted January 18, 2018 Author Posted January 18, 2018 5 hours ago, PWA 1967 said: i may be wrong but sure i heard one was that low grade it was never proven and written off . Would be interesting to know. If what you say is the case, Pete, it must be in pretty bad shape.The original F27 is not much more than a washer, but stands verified as 5 + F. Quote
PWA 1967 Posted January 18, 2018 Posted January 18, 2018 39 minutes ago, 1949threepence said: Would be interesting to know. If what you say is the case, Pete, it must be in pretty bad shape.The original F27 is not much more than a washer, but stands verified as 5 + F. Maybe it was proven as not one Hope someone can tell you a bit more Quote
InforaPenny Posted January 18, 2018 Posted January 18, 2018 I acquired one of the very worn ex-Freeman examples of F-19 in a Croydon Coin auction lot with some other pennies many years ago for a few pounds. The late Laurie Bamford told me that he had obtained this F-19 (?) with other worn pennies from Freeman’s survey collection. He did not believe it was F-19, and I agree… while it is clearly Obverse 2 the reverse appears to be D not F in my opinion. This seems to be confirmed by the apparent position of the final date numeral (only partly visible) that matches that of one of the F-18 (2+D) pennies in my reference collection. I should still have this coin somewhere along with the coin flip with F-19 (?) written on it by Laurie, but I’m not sure where. Hope this helps… Best Regards, InforaPenny Quote
1949threepence Posted January 18, 2018 Author Posted January 18, 2018 48 minutes ago, InforaPenny said: I acquired one of the very worn ex-Freeman examples of F-19 in a Croydon Coin auction lot with some other pennies many years ago for a few pounds. The late Laurie Bamford told me that he had obtained this F-19 (?) with other worn pennies from Freeman’s survey collection. He did not believe it was F-19, and I agree… while it is clearly Obverse 2 the reverse appears to be D not F in my opinion. This seems to be confirmed by the apparent position of the final date numeral (only partly visible) that matches that of one of the F-18 (2+D) pennies in my reference collection. I should still have this coin somewhere along with the coin flip with F-19 (?) written on it by Laurie, but I’m not sure where. Hope this helps… Best Regards, InforaPenny Thanks.That pretty much echoes what Pete said earlier. Maybe there is just the one specimen...... Quote
PWA 1967 Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 You can always start looking for one Mike Quote
Mr T Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 14 hours ago, InforaPenny said: I acquired one of the very worn ex-Freeman examples of F-19 in a Croydon Coin auction lot with some other pennies many years ago for a few pounds. The late Laurie Bamford told me that he had obtained this F-19 (?) with other worn pennies from Freeman’s survey collection. He did not believe it was F-19, and I agree… while it is clearly Obverse 2 the reverse appears to be D not F in my opinion. Ah, so Freeman misclassified one? I guess the Freeman auction catalogue isn't well-enough illustrated to tell? 1 Quote
1949threepence Posted January 19, 2018 Author Posted January 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, Mr T said: Ah, so Freeman misclassified one? I guess the Freeman auction catalogue isn't well-enough illustrated to tell? It's not. That specific lot isn't pictured. 1 Quote
1949threepence Posted January 19, 2018 Author Posted January 19, 2018 5 hours ago, PWA 1967 said: You can always start looking for one Mike I'm always looking, Pete 1 Quote
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