BoE 3 Shilling

[Sleepy]

Anyone know what the official weight of a 1811 BofE 3 shilling Token is, it doesn't seem to be recorded in any of my references?

[declanwmagee]

I've got 35.0g recorded - I suspect I got that out of the Coincraft catalogue some years ago, I seem to remember going through it once and getting all the weights and diameters...

[Paulus]

15g according to Tony Clayton's site!

http://www.coins-of-the-uk.co.uk/coins.html

 

 

[declanwmagee]

Spot on Paul, it's 35.0 mm !

[Paulus]

3 minutes ago, declanwmagee said:

Spot on Paul, it's 35.0 mm !

I have an 1812 I am happy with 

[Sleepy]

That's a lovely coin and beautiful toning, it puts mine in the spot but it explains why it's only 14.5 grms.

 

[declanwmagee]

ooh, careful Sleepy - contemporary counterfeits do exist...

 

[Paulus]

1 minute ago, declanwmagee said:

ooh, careful Sleepy - contemporary counterfeits do exist...

 

Yes 0.5g off is quite a lot, do you have pics?

 

[Rob]

Mine is 14.78g.

A copper counterfeit with a silver wash would be nearly 15% light assuming all dimensions were as for a genuine coin, so you would be looking at around the 13g mark.

[Sleepy]

Here's a picture, the coin in hand is a lot better even for gF my photos seem to remove all the life from coins and emphasis every poor quality. I'm pretty sure it is genuine as it came from a reputable dealer and for the price I paid, even if it was a contemporary counterfeit, I would be pleased.

[Rob]

Impossible to say from the image.

Seuk's site with contemporary counterfeits is http://www.steppeulvene.com/index.bank_token_3s.html

For a genuine example see below. This is 1812 (no 1811 to hand) and shows slight detail differences compared to the 1811 varieities according to Davis, the latter having 5 berries in the laurel, the first leaf pointing to the first limb or end of E and the reverse has anything from 24 to 27 acorns in the wreath.

[Rob]

Here's an 1811 from the archive to compare. Sorry, only the one image to hand.

[Sleepy]

I think Tony Clayton's 15g is a bit too round for a country still using grains, so I think his figure is a best estimate. I note that CCGB gives a reading of about 7.3g for a BoE 18d so doubling that would suggest about 14.6g for the 3 shilling. I suspect that the official reading was never recorded so the best we can do is take the readings from as many coins as possible, add a constant for wear against grade and come up with a best figure.

[Sleepy]

PS some nice coins up there!

 

[azda]

Looking through realised prices i'm seeing 14,5g to 14.66g