1797 Cartwheels 1 & 2 pence Grades please

[fourmack]

1797 Cartwheels 1 & 2 pence grades please.

also I have noticed that the 2 pence has 11 leaves is it of more value than the 10 leaf 

cheers Don

1pence

2pence

Edited May 10, 2016 by fourmack

[Rob]

Both nearly VF for wear, but the penny's surfaces are dire. The two pence is ten leaves and that's normal.

[copper123]

Fair for the top and good fine for the bottom

Values £2 and £12 , on the plus side the bottom coin has no edge knocks which could even get you £20 i surpose

[jacinbox]

Fair for top £3 and Good Fine for second £30

 

[Rob]

The actual wear on the penny is not that great with hair detail remaining and the crosses detail on the shield meeting at the intersection, but the corrosion means I would stick it in the rummage box and get what I could for it.

[Richard2]

I would say the Penny has been buried ,as ive have found similar looking surface corrosion on cartwheels whilst metal detecting.

[copper123]

the strange thing is how did anyone lose a coin of that size ?

[Peter]

Can't see how the 1d is worth anything apart from nearly oz of cu.The 2d isn't too bad and I'm sure would get £20 on ebay.

[mrbadexample]

1 hour ago, Peter said:

Can't see how the 1d is worth anything apart from nearly oz of cu.

I think you'd be surprised Peter. I see even worn, beat-to-hell examples selling so wouldn't be surprised to see that go for more than scrap. Look at this for example. 

[fourmack]

Thanks for your reply's

cheers Don

[copper123]

That ebay item looks like its been dug up as well - I suspect £4.20 is just a bit of a  freak result  - I would suspect two unknowlageable bidders bidding against each other

[mrbadexample]

2 hours ago, copper123 said:

That ebay item looks like its been dug up as well - I suspect £4.20 is just a bit of a  freak result  - I would suspect two unknowlageable bidders bidding against each other

Look at the sold listings copper, it's far from a freak result. If it's a cartwheel, it will sell.

[copper123]

Funny thing is I have noticed buyers picking out cartwheels from rumage boxes myself , even the ones in the poorest condition sell for £1 or so , I am not sure why these buyers want  vast collections of low grade cartwheels , personally i would run a mile if someone wanted to show me his collection of low grade cartwheels .

Take all sorts I surpose , surely they cannot be buying them as an investment .

There again you often find that the thing nobody considers as an investment turns out to be the best investment.

Certainly anything marketed as a "good investment" immediately raises my suspition that it will not be a good investment

[Mynki]

On 5/10/2016 at 11:55 PM, mrbadexample said:

I think you'd be surprised Peter. I see even worn, beat-to-hell examples selling so wouldn't be surprised to see that go for more than scrap. Look at this for example. 

I've just read the item description "good - high grade". The seller is a complete and utter moron! 

[mrbadexample]

On 5/11/2016 at 0:43 PM, copper123 said:

Funny thing is I have noticed buyers picking out cartwheels from rumage boxes myself , even the ones in the poorest condition sell for £1 or so , I am not sure why these buyers want  vast collections of low grade cartwheels , personally i would run a mile if someone wanted to show me his collection of low grade cartwheels .

Take all sorts I surpose , surely they cannot be buying them as an investment .

There again you often find that the thing nobody considers as an investment turns out to be the best investment.

Certainly anything marketed as a "good investment" immediately raises my suspition that it will not be a good investment

I think it's the word "cartwheel" that sets 'em off.