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F176

I thought I'd share a couple of rather nice rare finds . Both the rare 1913 mules. F175 below

I'm not Richard but I agree . I think its an F78

One possible explanation could be that the letters in question have been re punched to hard , which would result in a deeper indentation into the die resulting in a bigger wider and longer letter . I have seen this on the date digits on some of the Victorian pennies. Im sure I have a picture some where , I'll see if I can find it . Note the 9 in the two date examples below

yes , I agree your middle example looks just like my 1860 Gouby Vc coin pictured below, but with the 1861 reverse .

This one was up for auction at a starting price at £2.80 with no offers. Then it disappeared only to turn up as sold for £47. Its a Satin 28a. I only know of three, Bernie's one on Richards site, this one, and one other [No pic.] 1861 Freeman 4+D Centrally cut ribbon with misaligned colon after F:D: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/205436457401?_skw=1861+penny&itmmeta=01JSA06W8S3BFBQPH51PKENESB&hash=item2fd4f791b9:g:IdcAAeSwbtRoA5S2&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAAA4FkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1d%2BQkGYEEyLO3zLsTXIJEyWIa6xLVpE35IrDPBn9qmxFJkZt0i3drt54CP8OXL5UPAyG9trH%2BjDR7UMWMpvhzXH7myS8d%2Fd4JBE1laG5KNccTvpGKw7T3DMCEV3fO2Z6ITP0C3rgaINuxjo1RJL3idV2kEdE6qQm5oTP8%2B54xIdtP6%2FNX7G4Fll3veMNqzHmOvE7pQB5hccRPNsdluyKgyyudwU1IYz%2FJ0ybeGiPjwjhGC%2FihHVRDDaM0DEYNiUFa8tAWHkXoIIu%2BkvuOEnUgrA|tkp%3ABk9SR8zEm8DKZQ

1874 Penny Freeman 67 6+H Interesting coin this one . It seems to me that the F67 is much harder to find than the R12 rating given by Freeman , especially so in high grade . I could only find five examples ever sold on London Coins , and this seems to be the same with the F68 6+H Heaton rated R13 . This example interestingly also has an over stamped 7 in the date which I have not managed to find on any other example with this die combination. ??

I thought these two coins would be good examples of what Rob was saying . Here's a really clear example of a die clash image being transferred onto the reverse side , Note how sharp the outline of the queens head is right around Britannia . But on the George v coin below which shows extreme ghosting, the outline is softer and is formed by a slight depression forming the outline of the kings head, caused as Rob say's by the flow of metal .

1908 Freeman 164a e,bay find , rare in this grade much better than nearly all finds out there

Obverse

A very strange thing happened on ebay this evening . A 1863 Narrow 3 came up for auction at 6 o,clock with a starting price of 5£ . I straight away placed it in my favorites box , but also copied the pictures . I looked in a couple of times during the evening to see if any bids had been place , and none were. Then again I looked in at 10.30 , and to my surprise it took me to an 1861 coin . Now, I know I'm getting on a bit but I'm not that senile just yet. On my favorites it still says 1863, and to prove it the pictures are below.

Welcome to the forum Mike. You didn't say exactly what your interest is , but what ever it is , good hunting.

1930 missing sea. as far as I know undiscovered and unlisted . One for Richards list ! Maybe .

The rarity ratings attributed by Freeman are as accurate as could have been made at that time , but new types discovered since then would have suffered from the mass meltdown in the 1970s , where as the numbers of scarce and rare types known by Freeman and other collectors would have been enhanced , due to searching for and including into their collections , and hording , a good example would be the 1951 penny

I cant work out if your being serious or not Richard , it has to be a die crack running right through the 6 . Its not April fools day yet 😂 Some of us remember your Uncirculated narrow date 1877 !!!

Welcome to the H. Hope your health improves, and long may you continue to collect . Terry

There is one you've forgotten Ian , The cross between the Shytzu and the Poodle , A Shytpoo. Friendly but very messy

And may you all have a healthy and prosperous new year . Terry

I acquired this rare 1901 Gouby Aa with the second 1 directly over the gap recently . 😊

The letter underneath looks to be the original R which has partly filled, and has then been over punched on the die with another R . The ones with a different letter are all very sought after, or with the same letter rotated and over punched , but not really with the same letter re punched more or less in the same position.

And with top security postage of £1.65 😂

Why don't E.bay stop this kind of thing. !! Obviously a fake !! One Penny Coin | eBay Mind you I can't see anybody being mug enough to buy it ?

Ah well Pete we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Below is a 1953 Cameo I gave to Richard , and as you can see it has Minute scratches across the field , but none of them cross onto the queens effigy which is clearly frosted . it is the same on the 1898 penny, and it would be impossible to polish the field alone without running over onto the raised surfaces .

You could be right Martin , but the light when taking pictures can play some funny tricks . One thing is common to both coins though, is the tooth to the right side of the 8 has been cut on an angle to accommodate the positioning of the 8 over the tooth .