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That far on, amazing! We definitely need the Freeman's tower shillings of C1, maybe even the Groom's version (if that didn't create too many gaps in Richard's collection)? [emoticon with tongue sticking out!]

Lodge and beat booked for week of 1st October. 7 days and nights without screaming kids (sadly probably without screaming reels as well but worth it for the peace!). Glenlivet is already stockpiled and order for Cuban cigars about to be placed Glenlivet? Ahh, for that smoky aroma of Talisker, my all time favourite autumnal drink! Ouzo for Greece!

Didn't have the foggiest idea that a number of punches made up the busts, now you've got me...just as soon as time and money permits! I was having a conversation only today about how amazing/surprising it is that such a clear, historically important, and available artefact, is so incomplete in its study. It seems hard to believe that we study the embers of a Tudor/Stuart fire-place with microscopes, but have yet to classify the finer details of the most socially conforming object of all time!

Osborne's article is in the 1984 BNJ p.164-209, just before Besly's York mint article. A very useful volume. The mentioned Sharp 1977 and Osborne 1984 papers are the best in depth for study with the Sharp having numerous updated BNJ additions along the way. It is hoped that these papers might be revised at some stage, but alas it might take someone with the a great will to do so now. I know of 34 Tower mint Charles portraits, with one of these (Sharp G3) being recognised since. The D type for example has six 'official' portraits but again one or two of these also have (now accepted) know subtle differences, so not conclusive. The Tower Half crown in my opinion is still a sleeping giant, purely for some types are more scarce/rare than generally accepted. Thanks Coin Watch...I'm staggered and very much interested in what you are doing! I hope this thread will develop into an interesting one, with maybe the potential to push the boundaries of C1xii as they are currently understood? The field is still wide open from what I can see, and this is from fresh eyes attributing their first C1 shilling just this week!

Chris, an appeal to you...can we have a separate 'link,' or whatever the correct terminology is for it, akin to the 'new varieties' section, where known fakes can be posted under sub-divisions, Elizabeth I, George III, etc., with perhaps a page clarifying how the location should be used? Namely, 'nothing but counterfeit talk here please,' and under the right sub-heading, please, on pain of death! It seems a bit of a waste that all the valuable past contributions have just disappeared into the ether, dependant upon someone guessing that the thread began with a title like 'my favourite christmas present from marilyn,' or whatever?? Could become a major resource, could bring even more traffic to the forum! I obviously have no comprehension of the logistics involved in this, but it would surely be worthwhile in the name of numismatics?

I'm pretty sure you can also go to the google search page and find a button somewhere that either says something like 'make my homepage' or 'set as default' etc. I'm not on the PC so can't check exactly!

Osborne's article is in the 1984 BNJ p.164-209, just before Besly's York mint article. A very useful volume. Thanks, Rob!

So, first and foremost, we have Michael Sharp and his well publicised work on the series. You also (tomgoodheart) mentioned Osborne in a different thread, where does he fit in? Also, are there any other key die/punch studies out there? I'm presuming that, unlike Elizabeth, even for each obverse type (say D2 for example) there are a number of different bust punches? If so, have they been identified anywhere, are there any records of numbers, is there a calculated guess if not? Also, carrying on from a previous thread, yes, I was reffering to the identification of the Harp [Privy Mark] (though I'm now interested in the Osborne link too). I know there's not a lot to go on, but I add them below.

It's a crossover mule - two obverses, two reverses, so 4 possible combinations. Pointings are the quickest and easiest indicators: Obv 3, Rev C, F.471, C10, I of DEI nearly at a bead, L of HALF between beads Obv 3, Rev D, F.473, R5, I of DEI nearly at a bead, L of HALF at a bead Obv 4, Rev C, F.474, R12, I of DEI between beads, L of HALF between beads Obv 4, Rev D, F.475, R3, I of DEI between beads, L of HALF at a bead Now I'm confused, perhaps I should read the entire thread, but are these not 4 different obverses then? I've only just woke up so could be having a senile moment!

Dragging his response onto the forums is as nasty as you can get...PERFECT! He obviously has a lot of time on his hands! I'm surprised he hasn't written his own papers and published with the BNJ by now!

He's reet popular for errors is our Willem! 160836484181 Anyone please feel free to add the link if you're on a PC

I do like the coin, that's why I bought it. It's just the perennial problem of having two coins of slightly differing grades, but preferring the look of the lower graded coin. I flipped a couple of 1902 pennies back and forth for about a fortnight, having exactly the same dilemma! Also, if the leaf didn't reach the bottom of the die, I guess it would be convex...all speculation of course! "Heads I'll buy you GEF, tails I'll buy you AUNC" [a fortnight later..] "Heads I'll buy you GF, tails I'll buy you AVF" and not so far from the truth! I owned them both and couldn't for the life of me decide which one to keep and which one to sell. Fortunately it's not an issue that often!

Sorry Rob I can't help with this one, the issue was resolved, or resolved itself, following a few others identifying similar issues!

Don't understand this. The last time someone initiated a PM for me was at the end of May/beginning of June. Don't know what's happened since, but if anyone knows how to reinstate the ability to PM me, please feel free to speak out. Yep, I tried to PM you the other night...wouldn't let me, emailed you instead, as you know!

I do like the coin, that's why I bought it. It's just the perennial problem of having two coins of slightly differing grades, but preferring the look of the lower graded coin. I flipped a couple of 1902 pennies back and forth for about a fortnight, having exactly the same dilemma! Also, if the leaf didn't reach the bottom of the die, I guess it would be convex...all speculation of course!

So do you think it's possible that the highest points of the design just ran out of metal, so to speak, with the added relief Victoria now sucking extra silver? So weak strike, possibly? Just exploring a theory, given that weaknesses are a common side-effect of designs that are too volumous, G5 being a classic example?

Makes you feel pretty helpless! This is yet another occasion where knowing the actual buyer's user name would be so useful! Imagine emailing the buyer a quick link to this thread, hopefully getting it there before they paid?

I've never come across anything quite like that on eBay, before! With 70 feedback, could he actually draw the funds from PayPal and be gone? Does anyone know if PayPal still coughs-up if the money's gone from the sellers account? Any experiences out there?

Coins are real enough, but they belong to Bolton Museum. So what's going on?

And this one by the same seller 140791255406 A single BAD image of a commonwealth crown!

Nick, where you can see the underside of Victoria's chin, just left of the S in six, is the bust incuse or in relief, it's one of those optical illusions for me? Also, speaking personally, I'd alway prefer a GEF fully-struck over a aUNC with weaknesses!

Looks about as genuine as Katie Prices lady bumps! Some men like silicon John.....................Around the bath and window frames I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole (the only thing that fills Katie Price properly ) Bloody 'ell, Peter, glad I've finished my lunch!

With a picture of that quality and showing only about 2/3 of one side, he isn't giving anybody much of a chance to decide! If it IS genuine, he's done himself a great disservice with the image and listing! I've got a number of fake images now, even bought a couple for a closer look, so it would have been interesting to compare, if his images were better!

The best thing I have done recently is subscribe to an automated off-site back up facility. All of the data on my pc (actually I choose which) is constantly backed up in the background, and I can log in at any time and download the backed-up data. I can even access it from my iPhone or an iPad. The initial backup took about a month to complete (80Gb in my case) but subsequent backups happen almost in real time. The system I use is Carbonite, but I know there are others. Well worth a few pounds a month! I use Dropbox, which is free. I only get 3GB but that's enough for everything except music, pictures and movies (for which I have an external HD). But like your solution, it backs up everything invisibly in the background, so worry-free. I have all word processing docs, spreadsheets, databases, emails, and a few selected pictures. Plus all my browser bookmarks and my address book. A job for tomorrow I think!

I'd definitely say good fine but, to exaggerate the point, imagine a full'ish' flan shilling at 4.7g...you wouldn't touch it with a barge pole! The pitting wouldn't have necessarily put me off, I have to say, but the weight would have me running away at a million miles an hour! If you paid by PayPal, and I would never pay by any other means on eBay ( unless I either knew the seller, or was convinced of the piece beyond doubt), then you should be OK to get your money back (if that's where this is headed)!