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In a word - yes. Must be your phone or whatever. On my monitor I can see quite clearly the eyebrow, eye complete with pupil, nose and nostril, and lips, all well defined. And that's from a small picture. So this shilling would be GEF then? My view, pretty much. Like a few earlier milled, the striking is a bit weak. The hair and Garter star show this. But as to wear, well, apart from possibly a little at 12 o'clock on the rim, there is none. Therefore GEF. Looks like i've listed it to cheap then

Please do, it's been sat on the bay for 2 months

my annual check up is not due until december but i like the coin......so is the considered opinion here that its been retooled/enhanced ????. It might be hard to tell unless a much larger picture was uploaded ski. Coinery brought that up early on, about the leaves. Tried specsavers? As always, the opinion is, if you like the coin, buy it

In a word - yes. Must be your phone or whatever. On my monitor I can see quite clearly the eyebrow, eye complete with pupil, nose and nostril, and lips, all well defined. And that's from a small picture. So this shilling would be GEF then?

In a word Dave (to your first question), no. I have had several of these through my hands and that kind of roundness seems to be the way they left the mint (shillings are a little different). It would in any event be odd for the face, which is protected by the hair and laurel wreath to wear before the higher points of the design. I did look - and don't forget this is only a photograph - to see whether the veins in the leaves had been tooled but I don't think so. I'll stick with GVF. Incidentally, what grade did the dealer give it? Well i also thought it strange that the hair detail was there and the face not, so i can live with that arguement. You'd have to ask Paul about grade, not sure what it was as he never mentioned it.

Was going to try and play around with the uploaded picture but it won't do much more than has already been uploaded. Now that you've kinda sorted the photo issue out i would agree that its a better grade than what we first encountered in the first picture. You need to invest in a camera, thos fangle digi things cost about 100 quid for something decent and you'd be amazed at the results you get. Here's one of my shots from a simple Olympus 8.0 Million mega pixel camera, marco setting and highest resolution

I have to say, whoever is rating this as GVF really needs some eyes testing. Can you see the wear on the face of George? Yes there is some good detail around the coin, but the face detail is almost gone, am i missing anything?

Being a newbie and asking advice is fine. When you don't heed the advice then you are basically saying you know better. Tomgoodheart posted a halfpenny picture of an EF and asked if it was the same. I gave you my opinion of Grade from your picture, but you said it was your picture that was crap, personally i still think its the coin. If you want to heed opinion as a newbie then great stuff, if not and you think long time collectors are wrong then u think you will fall very quickly. Advice has been given, if you'd like to prove us/me wrong then please post a better picture so we can more accurately grade and and see why it would be underweight. Just my opinion again but i doubt an ultasonic cleaner however powerful could reduce the weight of a coin.

He's also had a neg for selling a fake watch

dream on........ I agree ski, eBay do f all when fakes are reported, maybe because they know f all about coins

And let us know if/when and where you sell your coin

I'd go with VF, a lot of wear to the face

Best posting a new oicture because yours definately does'nt Look EF from your picture. So, judging from the other commenr "did any get Out" you're hoping its an error worth cash? I'd go with Robs theory of acid

EF-UNC? From the picture i'd say Fine grade

You'd be better sending it to CGS, but your coin and good luck whatever you do with it

Both cutout Dates were from London auctions, so that would be 2, both were EF so much higher graded than yours hence the £3800 figure also they. Stated POSSIBlY once cleaned. Another thing going for that One is provenance. In 2010 there was also VG/F sold for £650 and also a Fine in 2005 for £550 so that makes 4. I'm noting that you seem to want to push the coins value, a collector will only pay what its worth to them for Grade and type, the Londons coin was EF, hence the price of £3800, yours in VF so would'nt get near those prices but might make bottom end of 4 figures depending how the whole coin looks. American slabs that pass through London coins are sometimes diwngraded by Londons than what is on the slab, so also bear that in mind, i don't think i've seen the whole coin OBV/REV yet and whether its a VF UK grade or a lower American grade

The overdates are not bringing anymore than an 1850 would. Check london Coins past sales results for both dates along with DNW or any other British auction House

No, that's not fair. It's not 'slacker', it's just different. In other words their EF is lower than ours, but is consistently lower, same with AUNC, and so on. Their grading is as consistent as ours (should be), but their grades don't exactly match ours. Just saying.. And the XF45 in the eBay Laughs section which is clearly VF? I'll stick to My opinion that their grading is slacker than ours

Would be a Good idea to ask any TPG about that, but i think they garauntee against it being a fake. Does make you wonder though, if they misattribute a penny saying its a high tide when its clearly not how will they actually know a Fake from a genuine coin. That high tide Penny is such a glaring error on their behalf, makes you Wonder

A bit of shill bidding going on here anyone? Possibly, but he's going to have to relist it because i won it. Just waiting on him emailing me for payment then i'll let him know (he already does) that its pewter, but wondering if HE will tell me this first as a good ebay seller _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Could'nt wait, so i've emailed him Hello, been waiting for you to contact me about this coin. Was actually wanting to see if you were an honest seller or not, and it seems not. Reason being is that i know you had several emails during this auction telling you that this coin was made of pewter, yet you've failed to tell me this so far and you also failed to update your auction stating this, and that can only be for one reason, you wanted it sold as original. There is a very good British coin forum which i'm a member of and your coin was pointed out on that forum, your wording in the auction does'nt really wash either as you've sold coins and sell a few coins and you certainly knew the date, but your WHAT IS IT quote was really quite amusing. So, what we can do is either you sell it as a pewter fake (as you know it is) and i can forget feedback, or you can try again selling as the real deal and i can leave a nice feedback. P.s the forum name is predecimal.com/forum look under free for all then under ebay laughs.

The 50/49 is regarded rarer in spink but looking at previous auction results the 50/49 has Seen a few more than an 1850. The one i uploaded to your thread was one i owned and sold this year. I'm Not sure what yours is graded at i don't recall it being mentioned, but being in an American slab can have its downsides, ie, their grading is slacker than ours plus it has 50/46 which could make People sceptical....Its difficult to call, but i'd personally Take it Out of the slab and if you decided to sell, sell as the 50/49 variety but kerp the Ticket and maybe write a note to the buyer with an explaination of the ticket. My 1850 was NVF and sold for £1800

You'd have to submit it like you would with any other TPG. They just can't answer on the strength of a picture, they'd have to have the coin in hand for identification

I'm actually going with the 50/49 verdict. I've uploaded 2 seperate date cut outs from different coins date 50/49 and can see no differences between these and yours with the thickness of the 0. Another thing i do want to clear uop. If you take a look in the FREE FOR ALL section of this forum and under EBAY LAUGHS there you will see a glaring error by NGC of a common coin that they've slabbed as a High Tide Penny American TPGs hold no water for me at all. To get confirmation of a yes or no of your date i'd send it to CGS in the UK, but i'm afraid i'm in the 1850/49 camp

There was a very High Grade Florin posted by palves and was fiound to be fake. There was also a dot underneath the I of BRIT But if the dot was a genuine die flaw, wouldn't that too get reproduced on the fake? Maybe the only coins containing the dots are known fakes, but it would only take one genuine coin with dots, to disprove the theory. Well i guess we'll just have to keep our eyes open for the same die flaws, i forgot Palves date Florin, don't think it was the same as this one, which would again make it strange if the dots were in the same place on to different years.

It was that harington dude, i even emIled 4hrs ago to tell him it was pewter and he still made 3 bids the Tool