1949threepence

I see they've corrected the F24 missing leaf to reverse F, but inexplicably still haven't noted it as an F24.

Not to mention Norway, Poland, Denmark, Hungary, Slovakia and Italy. Although no doubt many in Norway and Denmark subsequently made the passage to neutral Sweden if they got the chance.

It arrived today. Very pleased, looks as good in hand as the seller's pics. £170 odd is actually quite a decent price. I had already got an 1858 small date in similar grade, but scruffy looking with spots all over it.

Happens only very rarely though.

I'm not sure it's a mind game in the closing stages. The whole thing is over too quickly for it to be that. It might be more of a mind game in the earlier stages. I manually snipe in the closing stages in order to secure coins I want.....although if it carries on the way it is doing, there won't be much point.

Sniping, whether manual or automatic, can't operate properly if the e bay clock is all over the place as it was last night. Moreover, if the exact second is hidden from view, that is an added issue, as even if the clock were running correctly, if the time given was 21:30, but with seconds included it's 21:30:56, that would make a huge difference.

Thanks Jerry. Thought it was a very nice example of a small date 1858. Not entirely certain how scarce or otherwise they are, but either way, I still think it was worth it for the issue free condition alone. Did you notice clock issues? Incidentally, this has been flagged up by the e bay community. One or two have suggested switching to firefox - link. Not convinced, but might be worth a try.

Oh 100% absolutely. Gay people, gypsies, the mentally disabled etc. Some of them were early casualties. Anyway, I reckon this is a topic we're never going to get true consensus on, but thanks gents for a reasonable, interesting and civilized debate.

Skilled though Rosen is, I still don't think there is any realistic comparison between UK 2023 and Germany in the 1930's, and that such comparisons are extremely unfair. Just to show, this is a picture showing the flight of Jewish people from Germany between 1933 and 1939. The polar opposite to this country, where the argument is about the desperation to get in.

Thanks, but again, that's slightly confusing as they always used to. The time given clearly indicated 20:16, with no seconds shown (or 8:16pm) The clock weirdness is way more than broadband connection issues. Again, it would never have done anything like that before. Sorry, something is radically wrong.

Not 100% sure. As you say there is definitely a bump to the right of the top of the 4. But the rest is slightly unclear. I do actually have an EF version of the 1854/3, which I bought from LCA in Dec 22. There is even a trace of lustre. The classic features of a 4/3 are present with protruberances both sides of the top of the 4, and a thin line extending from the end of the left base serif to the left crossbar of the 4. There is more hair detail than is usual for a 4/3 on mine, but nothing like as good as the one you show above Jerry. It's example 13 on Richard's rare penny list - ex Steven Clegg Can't rule out yours being a 4/3, but I'm not sufficiently qualified to give a definitive yea or nay. Cope & Rayner have the 1854/3 as being of very high rarity in the upper grades.

I have managed to get this though, from the bidder's list. It clearly shows that the auction was supposed to finish at dead on 20:16. But the late bids, including mine, clearly prove that bids were made and accepted after the deadline. I made my bid as soon as the clock started going in the other direction, and the details show it was actually made post 20:16.

Well I've just bid on a coin, and the clock was clearly massively out of order. When it got down to about 10 seconds, it literally started going the other way. Just bizarre. I did win the coin, but there is a major major issue, which I'm filming next time and posting on here as well as sending to e bay. Got a screenshot which shows that I'm the high bidder, but also that the auction had ended................ Useless, they're wise to that and have obviously put some sort of block on screenshots as it's just come out with the e bay image.

Well you say that, but it should be noted that asylum seekers are being fast tracked into housing via a dream offer to private landlords, made by the government, via SERCO. See the link. This is at the expense of many people already here, who are suffering because of the severe shortage of private rental opportunities these days. SERCO link

I'm sorry to say it is when it comes to comparisons of such absurdity, they are too farcical to even laugh at. So then he should say precisely what the comparison is - something he didn't do even when tackled about it. Until that's done, then I don't accept there is any meaningful comparison. Moreover, let's not forget one overarching point. So many want to come to the UK in the 2020's. So many wanted to leave nazi Germany in the 1930's. That one FACTUAL comparison should tell you all you need to know about comparative nazi rhetoric.

Still waiting for a 1930's pronouncement from a German official, with which to compare. I also asked this question on a political forum and nobody can answer. Hence I assume they don't have a clue what was actually said or by whom, back then. I wonder if Gary knows? Do you? Have you looked? Pre 1933 is relevant as Lineker never drew any distinction between the separate parts of the 1930's.

I don't think they do, or at any rate did. But now they realise the public mood they're taking it a lot more seriously, and putting it ahead of the sentiments of their globalist mates. There might be votes in it ! Incidentally, I don't like Sunak and consider him a slimy backstabber, BUT, to his credit, he does appear to be slowly and surely getting on top of the negative situations we find ourselves in. If he carries on in the same vein, there is a possibility that they will begin to look slightly less like the shuffling shambles they were a few months ago. His organisational ability, memory and attention to detail is vastly superior to Johnson's. Not to mention the fact that he is less likely to alienate and annoy other leaders on the world stage.

No, but by natural implication that's what he meant. By 1930's Germany he wasn't referring to the period 1930 to 32 when the old Kaiser was in charge. I disagree with you that there is the remotest comparison between what has been said by the "tory" government and what was said against the Jews in the period 1933 to 1934. If there is, then give an example comparing two pronouncements, one from then and one from now.

I think if he'd just said that he felt the government lacked compassion on the issue, he'd probably have got away with it, and nothing else would have been said. But the left now have this absurd habit of conflating things the government propose regarding immigration, with nazi Germany. Any - even lightweight - student of history knows there is no comparison, and that to do so is an intensely insulting trivialisation of the events back then, to those affected and their successors.

Ask the left - they're the ones I got the working example from.

Absolutely. Assertions are made as though they are fact and not personal opinion. I'm surprised that more people haven't been sued for defamation of character, given what they've stated about various individuals. eg: "what you say might be interpreted as racist" (correct) "you're a bigoted racist" (incorrect)

You're never going to stop individuals having opinions, and some are so strongly held that they will be expressed in a frank and forthright way. It's pointless trying to shut people up, and it will never work. I don't personally agree with a lot that Gary comes out with, politically....but, it's his view. We all have them. As a person, he is a likeable guy. I can't help thinking that much of the blame lies with the BBC with a very weak, confused and inconsistent policy.

That's two nice VIGTORIA'S you've now got Richard !!!

Thinking about it, there's probably a very easy way round all this which would have squared the circle and avoided all the subsequent drama. The BBC just issues a statement which says that "The views expressed on twitter by Mr Lineker reflect his own personal opinion and are in no way associated with the BBC, which is, and remains, an impartial organisation". Providing opinions are expressed privately on platforms other than the BBC itself, that might be the most positive and harmonious way forward.