Sylvester

most probably an 84 in guessing. 1685s are not seen often.

Oh i'm sure i would have, nothing like an 1684 farthing. I used to have one.

I take it, it was tin?

And maybe tin halfpennies too. But i always peferred farthings to halfpennies, i think it's a size thing.

My alliegence is to tin. Tin is actually my favourite coin metal. One day i will have a collection of problem free VF tin farthings... wuhaha. Oh i can dream.

I feel like a foreigner when you guys get talking about copper and bronze...

I said we should have had one at Leicester, or Leeds (there used to be one at Leeds it's now at Wakefield). Now i personally don't like Leeds so Manchester would be an improvement there. Since Manchester is probably the third largest or so city in England you think it would have one? I think Birmingham has one, but i hate that place more than i hate Leeds so you won't get me going there.

I'm soo missing out on these coin fairs. I'm gonna punish myself an buy an Æthelred II penny for that. Oh but then there was that Eadred or that Coenwulf.

I couldn't see the connection on the coin, but then again i didn't look close enough perhaps?

i like the pound. I think the past thread left because the site rejected it...

Yes, feel free, the more the better.

No where near £83 in value. More like a fiver... Actually i couldn't put a value on it to be honest, it may, just may be an actual gold forgery, but it doesn't look it to me. Probably brass or gilt lead or something.

That's a good approach you suggest. I believe that these forgeries are contemporary, that is struck some time near the date on the coin. I doubt they are modern because a forgery that bad (i once heard a collector term it as "St. George and the Chicken" when i last found one on ebay), anyhow no serious collector would fall for that. Except Oli on this particular evening. In all fairness though Oli is not a sovereign collector and gold has not been his area. Whereas i used to collect sovereigns some time back before i sold them all, so naturally i've come across most of the 'modern' (1817-1932) gold coins from gold £5 coins down to the half sovereigns. And i've seen a few fakes like the one you picture being sold on ebay, i think yours is the third one i've come across. I saw one being sold as the real thing, it sold as far as i can tell, but you can bet some poor sod felt a bit of a fool after parting with however much they had done.

I dunno six foot is quite some way...

Why didn't you just look in your Coincraft/Spinks?

I've met the odd 1823 £2 coin in person in coin shops so i knew it definately wasn't one of those!

A real one looks like this... http://www.pandaamerica.com/upd_images/182...britain2lbs.jpg

Oh i've seen these before. Certainly forgeries, very crude ones too. The portrait is actually nothing like the real ones in any respect. Looks more like a Roman emperor than George IV! No idea what they are made of though. It'd be interesting to know. What i would do is cancel the aution and explain why, your honesty will gain you more credibility. State that you will offer to resell the coin but as a fake. Also explain how you asked for advice on a coin forum hence the cancellation. You'll find people will appreciate your honesty and they'll probably understand. I find if you sell coins clearly marked as fakes in the auction somewhere (contemporary counterfeit) you'd be surprised, if you were to try and pass them off as real though you'd get negged.

Sent.

Have you got a picture? It'd make identification alot easier and quicker.

Farthing list is done and ready for you... Please PM me with you email addy and i'll post you a copy to fill in at your leisure. Please stick Cromwell's on the beginning.

Wordpad (cos my word doesn't work), but it should be fine to open up in either. Microsoft word might leave a few things out of line. Cromwell is definately milled but strangely absent from the Coincraft list. I'm not adding Cromwell onto my lists until the end. So you can probably add it on yourself. I'll start the farthing lists now for you.

Probably just the major varieties. I'll list them out of Coincraft (what's in there is the minimum), if anyone knows of any others that are missing from the listings when Chris has got them into PDF format, we can add them then. Conversely i have the price listing pages myself and i can email you a copy of your relevant areas and just let you fill in the prices. (Cromwell has not been put on yet) The Crowns-Sixpences are now fully listed. It might take you a while to figure out my listings style but hopefully when it's in the acrobat format it'll be clearer. I may do the farthings lists next for you JMD. Note; i don't have any Peck numbers myself so Chris will probably shove those in, or you can yourself. The regular issues/proofs/errors are all mixed in together at the present but they'll be separated out once i've done the listings. That will be a nightmare in itself.

No problem...i quickly did the prices for Charles II farthings upto VF just a while ago... ...are we going to also include a 'coins not intended for circulation' section at the back (like the CCGB2005 book)? ...i take it that peck numbers are involved also? Yes Peck numbers will be involved. I haven't actually drawn up the draft of the copper stuff yet, i've been working my way down from the crowns... believe it or not the shillings were the worst, so many of them. The catalogue, i'm thinking, will be divided into three sections. I) Regular issue circulation pieces II) Proofs (regular proofs and irregular special proofs) III) Errors/oddities. So the coins not intended for circulation (i.e proofs) will be in the middle section. Patterns, counterstamped Spanish stuff and gold coins are excluded at present. Subsequent editions where possible (if they happen, depending on the popularity of this), may expand to cover one or more, but i know very little about the first two areas so it's not a step i'm going to take without caution. I'm currently still working on the sixpence bit, got Anne-Geo. III to do (i manage to get W3 done last night). I may skip to the halfpennies and farthings then so i can supply you with a template to fill in. Meaning Maundy stuff would be done last.

Don't all rush at once then...