absence of uniformity

Thank you ! if you upload an image please which is perfectly square on to the coin I will draw the same to see.

I can only find two images of confirmed die letter A right of the lighthouse coins. I made this image to show the location of the A in respect to the date numerals and legends. The coin on the left is the London coins example, middle is the the coin in question and the coin on the right is Gary's. You can see on my coin the middle of the three the central line of the "A" does not disect the top part of the F of half like the London coins example and Gary's. I have read that the die letter C to the left of the Lighthouse there exist atleast 3 types, with slighly different location and or size, I think the A to the left of lighthouse also has slight variations in the few that are known. Other than this difference everything else appears to line up quite closely between the 3 coins.

I will do thanks ! After closer inspection it looks like the shape has the similar curved base.

Thank you Bernie !

For £2 + Shipping I thought what the heck and will try my luck and purchased the coin.

I noticed this 1862 Halfpenny with what appears like a possible trace of the letter A to the right of the lighthouse. What do you think? I have identified the coin in question as 7+G (I could be wrong) Im not sure what Im seeing is really the letter A, although the position and size is seamingly correct. Many thanks,

Thanks alot, thats where I was roughly hoping for. appreciate the response.

Thank you !

Thank you! agree, being rare, cleaned and or polished with scratches its quite tricky for me to value the coin. I have seen the 24 examples on Richards website most of which have sale prices. Most of those examples are more worn but dont have scratches and not obviously cleaned/ polished. Asking opinion on the grade is simply to try better understand the value. I have no intentions to sell the coin.

Hypothetically speaking what do you think I could jot down as a value in my database, many thanks.

Thanks for that info ! I had previously stumbled across Garys ebay listing's also seen his name on Richards website.

Thanks Jerry ! I'm happy with that. I doubt il find a better one in the wild.

Thank you for the response. I found the coin early this year by chance. It was the first coin in my collection...! Infact it's because of this coin Im now collecting coins/varieties.. I come across the coin and after researching it I figured it was a rare coin. Since then I have been searching high and low and trying to learn as much as possible. So far I have only been searching for coins that are not listed for sale as varieties, as I'm sure you aware its really addictive the buzz of finding a bargain.

Thank you, here is an example from London coins that was graded VF or better, such a shame mine is cleaned and scratched.. That's really the root of my question how does the cleaning and scratches change the grading.

I found this 1861 2+D coin and assumed it was 8 over 6, because the 8 over 8 I wasnt aware it exists, Then I found this example listed on ebay by Gary: https://www.ebay.com/itm/326784536418 once i started looking for 8 over 8 and then I found a third on London coins. Following sending the information to Richard Sessions this information was added to his website; https://rarestpennies.wordpress.com/1861-f18-8-over-8/ If you have some 1861 coins have a look closely at the 8 will be interesting to know if any others appear. The rarest penny website by Richard has proven really useful and has allowed me to learn alot of information in a short period of time of which I cant thank Richard enough. I enjoy finding coins and going to the website to learn about pairings and variety's, more often than not things are not what I think they are.. It's a steep learning curve identifying variety's and pairings from this series. And would be much harder without a site like Richard's.

I purchased this coin for 6 pound 🙂, so cant be too upset for the light cleaning and scratches. The actual colour of the coin is typical cleaned bronze colour. Given the cleaning, scratches how would you grade the coin? Many thanks.

Thank you ! I Just posted another coin. 1874 with some differences to the back of the helmet plume, possible extra plumes, I'm not sure.

I noticed this 1874 penny with what appears a difference to the back of the helmet plume. What do you think? thanks.

Ok thank you for this.

Understood thank you.

Thank you, I was only interested if the differences count as variety. Now its clear this is not the case.

My question's please to the forum are; 1) Do you think this is machine doubling? 2) Is the difference in the hair as result of machine doubling? many thanks,

Here you can see the legends and the leaves.

Please see the attached image. I have circled what appears to be a difference in the hair both coins are the same year and the same die pairing. The toned coin shows what appears to be machine doubling to leaves in the wreath and to some of the legends. Could this be the reason for the difference in the hair. I have not included a full image of the coin because I'm still thinking whether I will purchase the coin or not.