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Hi Paddy, Many thanks for the message It difficult to tell but looks about the same depth as the rest of the legend. I wondered if it was an attempt to make a correction to the G and R that didn't work out ! I'll might see if I can get a photo of the Farthing at an angle Very Best Regards Richard

Hi Hope you don't mind some Farthing photos I couldn't find anything similar to this - great to get your thoughts - another coin from an old album [I seem to recall seeing one of these as a kid in a coin book or magazine but can't place it] This is an 1874 H Farthing . I spotted the R in REG immediately its much thicker than it should be. [contrast to R in BRITT] The G is D:G: is also interesting it looks like someone got into difficulties and It the same spot for the G over G (I have a very poor example of one of these) [contrast to G in REG] Great to get your thoughts - what do you think ? Have you got one of these in your collection ? Very Best Regards Richard P.S. Hopefully these will be the last photos for today - great to get your expert views on this and on the 1865 posted earlier !

Hi I pushed the boat out last week and bought an 1858 Penny, 8 over over 7, for just over £12 It reminded me that I thought I had some other examples of Penny "something" over "something's." I had a quick look yesterday (now I have the microscope) and found an 1865, 5 over 3 (most likely would have come from an old coin album) It's very clear but I don't think its anything unusual - just wanted to check In the 2nd image you can clearly see the 3 hiding behind the 5, with a tiny bit of the 3 sticking out of the back of the 5 at the top Very Best Regards Richard

Apologies Martin, my mistake please see a picture of the obverse - its pretty bad I'm afraid

Hi, To wrap up 1877 I took this photo earlier comparing the "misty" 1877 with I think a 12.5 tooth [?] (which is underneath) It most likely a 13 Very Best Regards Richard

Hi Hope this is useful. If you need a better photo I do do one tomorrow in the daylight

Hi I will start a new thread and send it !

Thank you again to everyone for your help on this - I have managed to photograph the misty 1877 under another 1877 and it does look like the 13 tooth - so a common version - I'll post that image a bit later In the meantime hope nobody minds - here is the reverse of my "best condition" 1877 with the odd 2nd N in Penny and a break in the ships ribbon or pennant (not sure what to call it !) And apologies I also spotted yesterday 1861 Penny (might be common) which is normally reverse side up in the tray, the obverse legend Victoria is missing possibly the bottom of both I's the C and the O; the D in D.G. has gaps at top and bottom, and the D in F.D. has a gap at the bottom. I'm certain I saw the identical problems on a coin in Richard's amazing wordpress Penny listings - but couldn't track it down again ! (should have made a proper note of it) Lastly, I know this isn't for everyone, I collect Farthings , I doubt that I have anything rare (virtually everything has come out of old low cost albums) but there there may be something of interest. Obviously a different topic but not sure where to post if of interest Very Best Regards and thank you once again to Terry for his photographs of the 1877 penny dates, to Richard for his 1877 penny photo and incredible work on Wordpress, to Paddy for pointing out the date type, Martin for the 7 over 7 photo, and for Alf and Martin for the feedback on the "foggy" (don't see how the ship could have seen the lighthouse) 1862 penny Richard

Hi Paddy I'm sure you are right. its probably 13 tooth rather than 14 tooth version (may thanks to Terry for the size breakdowns). As a comparison I took as look at my "best" 1877 Penny (fortunately only some of my Penny's are "misty") I think its 12 teeth but I might be wrong (still getting to grips with what to line up when counting !) it is small compared to the "wider". My "best" doesn't have the double 7 which Martin kindly shared but there is something up with 2nd N in Penny - looks like there has been a break of some kind - might need to check under the microscope

Hi Here is the 1862

That is amazingly helpful - I had no idea there were so many different 1877's. It is a very worn coin (so please don't laugh when you see the photo) and worn coins can be quite misleading (I have an 1875 where the "5" looks like a small 5 like a half penny - but a look under the microscope and it is just wear) . For the 1877 you can just see the top of the 2nd "7" and sadly no its lost its teeth I've just taken this photo with a iphone but if you wanted more detail (not that there is much !) I can get an image from my microscope Great to see what you think Very Best Regards Richard P.S. I did find a small date 1862 yesterday (again very worn but clearly the smaller size) I may try to go through my other 1877's today (most of which are in much better condition) and probably 1873. I've moved the 1862 into my main tray so it doesn't get lost !

Hi I wondered if someone could help with a query ? Earlier this year I started to collect (mainly) GB Bronze and Copper coinage. Its collecting for enjoyment and relaxation rather than to make money or for completionism (collecting can be addictive - only have to look at my newspaper collection for that). I have basic date runs of : pennies; half pennies; and farthings (and a few date runs started for silver coinage) I tend to buy old coin albums etc which no one else is that interested in I recently bought an album of circulated very worn 1860's - 1890's pennies (I've seen the term "misty" which I quite like used to describe this kind of wear!) One coin in the album puzzled me it is an 1877 penny (very worn) the first three digits 1, 8, and 7 match the "normal" 1877 penny, the last 7 (only the upper part of which can be seen due to wear) is much further to right. I do have other 1877 pennies which are slightly wider but nothing this far off. I can't find any photographs that are similar I checked London coins etc. My 1985 Michael Freeman Bronze Coinage is too old to help. I wondered if anyone could therefore direct to photographs showing 1877 wider date pennies so I can see the differences ? I can always share a photograph if that helps - but it is very worn Best Regards Richard Heaton