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The more I look at examples, I am more convinced that the position of Britannia's foot is another marker, and like the shield, it is always much closer to the teeth than on regular/low tide.

Great Collections has responded to me, and accolades to them for being receptive and ethical.

Thanks, Gary Edit: wow, what a ride. It ended sort of unresolved regarding your pursuit of PCGS putting up more than obfuscating language counter to known history of beaded borders. But no response is also a response.

New variety. Hah!

I'm honestly expecting to be ignored or given nonsense form responses. I am hoping GC is responsive, and applies pressure to PCGS to be accountable. Other examples (from NGC) earlier in this thread were on eBay, not much leverage there, but this is a bit different.

I noticed that Britannia's foot is also closer to the denticles on the High Tide. Obviously the tides are different, even if i did not scale the pictures exactly the same. Using the two PCGS examples, both correctly, and (IMO) incorrectly attributed.

Also sent more pics

Here is what I plan to send to PCGS I believe this coin to be improperly attributed as High Tide/ High Sea Level https://www.pcgs.com/cert/56163554 Distinctive markers to determine variety correctly: Center of the upright part of P in Penny should point to gap between denticles, not to a tooth. Shield at bottom should basically be touching denticles, whereas there is a gap here in this coin. Tide on right side of coin should reach next fold up in Britannia's dress, closer to where legs cross. For comparison, this one is correctly identified: https://www.pcgs.com/cert/82915544 I can also provide more pictorial proof upon request.

I contacted Great Collections, who has it up for auction, trying to contact PCGS through their web contact form, but the contact options don't exactly pertain to this, so who knows how this will go.

Yes, get the Freeman book, esp as the new edition is available once again, although the prior edition is extremely useful, and an industry standard.

I found another graded example (PCGS this time), which i believe to be misattributed. Can other please confirm or deny my suspicion? https://www.pcgs.com/cert/56163554

I ordered through that yes, directly from the link on the forum's homepage. Incidentally, I am international, so that sounds like good news to me. Thanks.

This makes sense, as it can be used as a whitening agent, like sodium percarbonate. I look forward to more test results.

Congrats. That's a great win. I have similarly been spending hours over several years looking for some varieties, such as high tide 1897 penny. With those, even some attributed (in TPG slabs) are incorrect, let alone dozens of dealers who list it as such, erroneously. With so many bad listings of it, I feel even less likely to find an actual one unattributed. But I keep looking, in madness, haha. I may break down and buy a correctly identified one, even with the markup. I feel aside from maybe 1902, most of the rarer tide variants will just be too tough to acquire, otherwise, esp where I am located.

Hi Does anyone around know how long the delay is on the backorder for the new edition? I finally put in an order, though wish I had done so when it was on-hand. Thanks

I also was thinking of starting simple, with mild warm, soapy water, too, then advancing from there. I am waiting for it to come in the mail, but will try to remember to update here. I am excited to revive this beauty. For anyone curious, link to see pictures of both sides, due picture limitation here https://www.pcgs.com/cert/50443898

I paid $115 incl BP, tax and shipping, so I feel I got it pretty cheap, at least for over here. It has some wear and marks, but overall fairly good condition. It definitely felt worth the gamble to restore it. I think it scared off most bidders, which I was fine with. I am also surprised the grading company did not demand restoration fees, as sometimes I have heard they do.

Any opinions how to clean this sticker/tape residue off of a copper coin? Cartwheel Twopence. It is graded as AU details tape residue, I plan to crack it from the slab and remove the gunk, if feasible. Sticker looks like a tenaciously tacky price sticker, which did not fully come off. Thanks to some clueless antiques dealer or estate sale, is my best guess. Stranger still, was it getting graded in this state. I have a few ideas for removal, but posting around various places to see what ideas and insights other people may have. Copper is much tricker than silver, it is quite reactive. It may take short durations of acetone, but no long soaks, which would be easy and useful for silver. I am leaning toward Hoppes #9 Gun Bore Cleaner, maybe quick passes with acetone, rinsed with RO water, blotted dry.

Another raw claimining 1858/3 Looks similar overdate to one in PCGS, at quick glance. Die crack that PCGS one does not have. https://ebay.us/m/59lIoN (Both this and the one in PCGS have hair ribbon-like things, which I recall theories being die clashes. PCGS one even has extension to hair curl's end).

Another graded example, this in PCGS slab. Possibly something under there, but I side w Michael it does not look like 1853's "3", the shape is wrong. https://ebay.us/m/veFOIB

I found another supposed example graded by NGC, for sale on ebay Frankly picture is too grainy to help. https://www.ebay.com/itm/137154063942

I realize the title should specify pennies. Lazy omission. If any mods are able to edit that, I would appreciate it.

Genuine 3 from 1853 (via Michael's website)

From the graded example

I have read through Michael Gouby's discussion of 1858 pennies. He seems to feel there are no 8 over 3. I may side with him. His reasoning seems sound. https://www.michael-coins.co.uk/cp_1858.htm I have looked at current ebay offerings of 8/3, none of them look promising as specimen. A couple examples (yes sellers make wild bs claims, nothing new) https://www.ebay.com/itm/177731430716 https://www.ebay.com/itm/336379281950 There was a graded example on Heritage, but I'm not convinced it is an 8/3, either. https://coins.ha.com/itm/great-britain/great-britain-victoria-penny-1858-3-/a/3015-24982.s Anyhow, has there been more supporting evidence come forward? Do you think there are examples, or do you agree with Michael?