Chris Perkins

Coin Manage 2003 UK is a piece of software available from Liberty Street, a canadian based data base producer. In it's current form the software is good and has many useful features, but because it was originally designed for US/Canadian coin collectors there are perhaps some improvements that could be made to make it easier to use for British collectors. I have established this forum to collect points of view about the software and will submit them to the makers in the hope that the next version will be more useful (and sell more!) to British coin collectors. I encourage you to download the 30 day trial product here: ftp://libertystreet.com/pub/CoinMngUK.exe Play around with it and make your feelings known in this forum. It will be beneficial to us all if the next release in more British coin collector friendly. The download is however quite large at 39mb, so if you just email me, and assuming it breaks no copyright rules I don't mind sending it to you on CD for free. The producers main site is here: http://www.libertystreet.com/index.htm ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Trying it out myself the main problems I have noticed are that the full range of GB coin grades is not selectable when adding a coin to the database and the quoted catalogue values are out of date. Thanks, Chris.

Rita, About face value, perhaps a slight bit over, but not much. Chris www.predecimal.com

I once heard from a US coin dealer who had travelled some considerable distance (by plane) to see a very nice collection of US coins for private sale.... When he arrived the owner said he had cleaned them up while he was on his way to make them more presentable!!!! What was a collection worth 1000's of pounds was now worth face/bullion value. As Tommy Cooper would say....'Just like that' Chris

Lindner, SAFE and Lighthouse, the 3 major collecting accessory manufacturers here in Germany (and indeed the world) all produce cleaning/polishing dips for all metals!!!! It's absolutely criminal, and they should know better! Everyone in Germany cleans their coins, stupid people. Chris

The first one looks like something has got trapped between the coin and die, certainly looks contemporary, and a shame it's right on the bust. Does look a bit brighter than perhaps would be natural, but the tone isn't unplesant. Second one looks cleaned to me, and probably recently, the tone looks too bright. Chris

I suppose the hairlines could have just been where someone rubbed it with something at some early stage, not necessarily 'cleaning'. I know it's newer than your area but I know that it's difficult to find a 1902 gold proof coin without hairlines because the mint workers tried to buff the matt surface when the coins came off the press. I always judge by the tone of the coin, and if you are not happy with the way it looks then don't have it! I suppose it is likely that people at the time just gave them a little rub to make them look nicer. I thought that haymarking was due to rusted dies. I know that dies were often used beyond what they should have been, and that they sometimes got corroded or generally scummy, causing incuse damage to the coins they struck. Maybe cleaning with acid would do a similar thing, but i think that's a bit Star Trek really, as the damage always looks contemporary to me! But then i'm no expert. Chris

Certainly, my pleasure... In the 1949 Book is says R2, which means 'Very rare'. It also says the same in the 1992 book. 1682 is also listed as R2 in both books. There are some undated CII milled sixpences that are R5-R6 including one on a thicker (possibly shilling) flan. The rarity scale in the books are as follows: R7 Only 1 or 2 examples R6 3-4 examples R5 5-10 examples R4 11-20 examples R3 Extremely rare R2 Very rare R Rare S Scarce N Normal C Common C2 Very common C3 Extremely common Chris

I am now a proud owner of the 1949 first edition 'The English Silver Coinage' 1649-1949, by B A Seaby ltd. No mintages in there, instead it gives each coin a rarity scale of about 1-10 and even shows patterns etc where only 2 or 3 examples are known. It's interesting comparing it to the latest 1992 edition. Some coins have actually managed to get more common over the 40+ year gap! I also have a 1949 Seaby/Spink 'bible' to go with my 1968, 1970, 1974, 1989, 1998 and 2000-2004 editions. I love seeing how certain coins have risen in value and like Sylvester I wish I could go back and buy...For example, a 1937 Sovereign for £12.00 (2004 Cat value £750.00!) Chris

You lot! Check these out: http://www.predecimal.com/bespoke_coins.htm Chris

Yeah, me too from now on. Have no time for this pointless argument about nothing imparticular. Oli, we'll have to agree to disagree and just try to be friends again, ok? You are most welcome among us, so please stick around, I am interested to hear your views on coin matters. You certainly know what your talking about with British coins and that is commendable. Chris

Roger, I don't that person came back to the forum, so feel free to email them. Chris

Apparently that flag was was adopted in 1949, I imagine your ancestors had a previous one? http://flagspot.net/flags/de-he.html Chris

The USA is welcome to see us as an older relation, of course that is true, but that has nothing to do with economies. The world and politics is all about economies, maybe that isn't right, but it's true. What is that new Avatar then? Chris

....In your opinion. You cannot make a statement like that without being properly qualified to make it. You are free however, to voice your opinion, and in your opinion Europe has a strange smell and so does it's single currency! There's not a single World War that my Grandad wasn't involved in, either as a 14-18 year old soldier or as a 39-45 year old soldier. Both of those wars were against Germany, my uncle William Henry Perkins (whose middle name I am proud to share) was on HMS Hood which was blown out of the water in 1941 in what was, and probably still is, the single most catastropic British Naval disaster, of which there were only 6 survivors (he was unfortunately not one of them). He was 19. They were British and fighting for survival, over 60 years later here I am living in Germany, the country responsible for my own uncles death. In a smaller way, like all of us I too am fighting for survival (and i'm also very much British), I have bills to pay, responsibilities etc etc. I often wonder how popular the British Euro sceptic (not the currency, the continent) attitude would be if those 2 wars hadn't happened and if there still wasn't unfounded historical distrust towards Europeans (particularly Germans) because of those events. At the moment Britain is very much part of Europe, both economically and or course, geographically, and that really is (despite some silly rules that get on our bloody nerves!) the best way forward. If you are Europe sceptic, ask yourself why that really is? Alone no European country can become a super economy (in fact the US/China/Japan and even Russia make the Uk look like a Minow), but together the UK can be very much an active integral part as one of the 3 richest, most industrial nations in the union. Trading with the US is important, of course, as is trading with China and Japan and the other major economies in the world, but they don't need us, they are already huge, and instead of being bolted on to an existing super economy as a little brother I would personally prefer for the UK to be an active part of the super economy and fast becoming world beater, Europe. In your own words please, argue with that!

Hello Roger, Welcome to my Forum, it's nice to have someone else who knows their stuff in our midst. I think Bob was refering to the silver coin shown above. Chris Perkins www.predecimal.com

Would you consider selling part of it to me if I could visit your with ready readies in February. Email me your phone number if you like and we can talk in more detail about what you have. Chris Perkins www.predecimal.com cp@predecimal.com

Hello, Well I would imagine you may get £1000 on ebay if you were lucky enough. And that's probably more than i would pay, but I imagine having a previous ebay presence would be a big help in selling it. I don't know many people that would hand aver £1000 to someone in sunglasses and with a big fat (0) next to their name. I'd be pleased to list it properly, photograph it, describe it, take the payment, send it, and then settle up with you for a 10% commission (all in, including ebay fees and everything). Where about are you too, I'd like to know what else you have in the mountain? Chris www.predecimal.com

If indeed it was any! No problem Chris

Well I imagine it would be impossible to say in terms of todays money. A groat was 4 pre decimal pence, which equates to 1.6667 modern British Decimal Pennies. So that makes a groat worth, what about 2.82 US cents now. A sixpence is worth 2.5 modern British pennies and a florin is worth 10 modern British pennies. Ducats are not British so I don't know about them. But when groats, florins etc were made they represented a lot more money than a few US cents, just as 200 years ago a US cent had much more value than a modern US cent. Also throughout the years, the value of denominations changes, one year you can buy a loaf of bread for a penny, 10 years later the same loaf of bread (but a new one, of course!) may cost 6 pence due to inflation. In real terms though a florin may have been as important in days gone as a US$5 note, and a sixpence as a 50c coin! So in short, it's a funny old question to want to know the answer to, and damned hard to work out! Chris www.predecimal.com

Yeah, you're probably right. The German Euros do have something slightly interesting in that they have different mint letters. Those mints and mint letters have been pretty much unchanged since the days of the little German kindoms and probably before. I think it was good that they stayed on the Euros, even though they don't mean that much. Chris

Funny you should say that old chap, I got 3 bank fresh 2003A German 1 Euro coins today. I know they are only monopoly Euro money, but who knows, someone may want to buy them from my great great grandson in 170 years. Chris

You mean, you want to know what face value those demoninations would represent in US$? Even though they are no longer in use. Or you want to know the value of some of those coins, with specific dates as collectors items now? Chris www.predecimal.com

Anyone can adopt someone elses point of view, it's even possible to change whose point of view you adopt daily, even hourly. I wonder if Mr Morris really sums up exactly your views, or if Mr Morris is just the person you happen to believe today. I'm afraid I don't believe that you could have answered the question like that yourself. With statistics you can prove anything, and to a degree with 'other peoples arguments' the same is true. Chris

It matters to me rather a lot, becuase those are the words of an American, and while you clearly share his views, you didn't make that point, he did, in May of this year. Chris

Now let's here something in your own words Oli, rather than a passage from Dick Morris 'Campaign strategist' for Bill Clinton! Chris