Thank you again to everyone for your help on this - I have managed to photograph the misty 1877 under another 1877 and it does look like the 13 tooth - so a common version - I'll post that image a bit later
In the meantime hope nobody minds - here is the reverse of my "best condition" 1877 with the odd 2nd N in Penny and a break in the ships ribbon or pennant (not sure what to call it !)
And apologies I also spotted yesterday 1861 Penny (might be common) which is normally reverse side up in the tray, the obverse legend Victoria is missing possibly the bottom of both I's the C and the O; the D in D.G. has gaps at top and bottom, and the D in F.D. has a gap at the bottom. I'm certain I saw the identical problems on a coin in Richard's amazing wordpress Penny listings - but couldn't track it down again ! (should have made a proper note of it)
Lastly, I know this isn't for everyone, I collect Farthings , I doubt that I have anything rare (virtually everything has come out of old low cost albums) but there there may be something of interest. Obviously a different topic but not sure where to post if of interest
Very Best Regards and thank you once again to Terry for his photographs of the 1877 penny dates, to Richard for his 1877 penny photo and incredible work on Wordpress, to Paddy for pointing out the date type, Martin for the 7 over 7 photo, and for Alf and Martin for the feedback on the "foggy" (don't see how the ship could have seen the lighthouse) 1862 penny
Richard