1860 penny LCW below shield

[chris]

wish id never started this penny mlarky

i have an 1860 i have managed I.D,d as L.C.W (can only see the W now) below shield but my obverse seems different from an example recently sold on an internet auction site

as you can see by the photo of the bust there is a decent sized gap between the bust and the teeth

the example i have seen basically smothers some of the teeth

any explanation or obverse id would be outstanding

[Peckris]

wish id never started this penny mlarky

i have an 1860 i have managed I.D,d as L.C.W (can only see the W now) below shield but my obverse seems different from an example recently sold on an internet auction site

as you can see by the photo of the bust there is a decent sized gap between the bust and the teeth

the example i have seen basically smothers some of the teeth

any explanation or obverse id would be outstanding

It looks to me like Freeman 4+D - the one you saw was probably 6+D which is a little scarcer than 4+D. It's always harder to tell on a specimen that worn, but I would say F15 is the likeliest one. Obverse 6 was the first one with a reduced gap between the top of the bust and the teeth - yours is clearly earlier.

[Accumulator]

wish id never started this penny mlarky

i have an 1860 i have managed I.D,d as L.C.W (can only see the W now) below shield but my obverse seems different from an example recently sold on an internet auction site

as you can see by the photo of the bust there is a decent sized gap between the bust and the teeth

the example i have seen basically smothers some of the teeth

any explanation or obverse id would be outstanding

It looks to me like Freeman 4+D - the one you saw was probably 6+D which is a little scarcer than 4+D. It's always harder to tell on a specimen that worn, but I would say F15 is the likeliest one. Obverse 6 was the first one with a reduced gap between the top of the bust and the teeth - yours is clearly earlier.

It really is incredibly difficult to be sure when virtually all the identifying signs are long gone. I might even plump for F13 (3 + D) as the front of QV's bust meets the rim vertically. On the other obverses the bust meets at an angle. Beyond that I'd really not like to say.

[Peckris]

wish id never started this penny mlarky

i have an 1860 i have managed I.D,d as L.C.W (can only see the W now) below shield but my obverse seems different from an example recently sold on an internet auction site

as you can see by the photo of the bust there is a decent sized gap between the bust and the teeth

the example i have seen basically smothers some of the teeth

any explanation or obverse id would be outstanding

It looks to me like Freeman 4+D - the one you saw was probably 6+D which is a little scarcer than 4+D. It's always harder to tell on a specimen that worn, but I would say F15 is the likeliest one. Obverse 6 was the first one with a reduced gap between the top of the bust and the teeth - yours is clearly earlier.

It really is incredibly difficult to be sure when virtually all the identifying signs are long gone. I might even plump for F13 (3 + D) as the front of QV's bust meets the rim vertically. On the other obverses the bust meets at an angle. Beyond that I'd really not like to say.

I plumped for Obverse 4 because it seems to have that 'cutaway' for the signature below the bust that isn't there on Obverse 3? But it's hard to tell with that amount of wear.

[scott]

we really need a referance or something with all these side by side. including halfpennies.

and stickied.

i have plenty of worn pennies as well, no idea on dies etc, some are obvious of course others not so.