HAXall Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 interesting,maybe unique,minting error,coin struck on old one pence size metal.what can it be worth? Quote
Peckris Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 is there anybody to help?I think your problem HAX is that there is unlikely to be a Malacca coin specialist on this site? There may be someone with a general interest in coins of the whole region? Maybe scott knows something. He has worldwide interests. Quote
davidrj Posted December 24, 2011 Posted December 24, 2011 is there anybody to help?I think your problem HAX is that there is unlikely to be a Malacca coin specialist on this site? There may be someone with a general interest in coins of the whole region? Maybe scott knows something. He has worldwide interests.The design looks like 1 keping Singapore merchants' tokens from the early 1830's, these were struck in copper at the SOHO mint in Birmingham, normally about 21mm diameter, about 1.5 to 1.7 gmA trial on a 26mm lead blank is reported, as are normal sized proofs in copper and brassCan you upload a better picture please,? hard to make out the date, What size and weight is it, and is it copper?David Quote
davidrj Posted December 24, 2011 Posted December 24, 2011 is there anybody to help?I think your problem HAX is that there is unlikely to be a Malacca coin specialist on this site? There may be someone with a general interest in coins of the whole region? Maybe scott knows something. He has worldwide interests.The design looks like 1 keping Singapore merchants' tokens from the early 1830's, these were struck in copper at the SOHO mint in Birmingham, normally about 21mm diameter, about 1.5 to 1.7 gmA trial on a 26mm lead blank is reported, as are normal sized proofs in copper and brassCan you upload a better picture please,? hard to make out the date, What size and weight is it, and is it copper?David Quote
davidrj Posted December 24, 2011 Posted December 24, 2011 The design looks like 1 keping Singapore merchants' tokens from the early 1830's, these were struck in copper at the SOHO mint in Birmingham, normally about 21mm diameter, about 1.5 to 1.7 gmA trial on a 26mm lead blank is reported, as are normal sized proofs in copper and brassCan you upload a better picture please,? hard to make out the date, What size and weight is it, and is it copper?DavidBest reference I have is The Encyclopedia of the coins of Malaysia Singapore and Brunei 1400-1967 by Saran Singh. downloadRemick's British Commonwealth Catalogue is unhelpful and refers the reader to Pridmore (I don't have a copy)Could be a trial, but it's reported that the Cock with 4 tail feathers is considered extremely lucky, so maybe a gambling token or souvenir pieceinteresting one thoughDavid Quote
HAXall Posted December 24, 2011 Author Posted December 24, 2011 Thank You for the answer, here are the photos. One pence next to the coin is to compare the size, unfortunately, I couldn weight it.it looks like copper to me. Quote
HAXall Posted December 24, 2011 Author Posted December 24, 2011 and another question about that 1946 one penny coin.i know there is unique 1952 penny.on photo my 1946 looks the same as proof 1952...where can i found out is it proof or not? Quote
Rob Posted December 24, 2011 Posted December 24, 2011 and another question about that 1946 one penny coin.i know there is unique 1952 penny.on photo my 1946 looks the same as proof 1952...where can i found out is it proof or not?Your penny is definitely not a proof. Proofs other than for 1937, 1950 and 1951 are extremely to excessively rare. A proof will have mirror fields and very sharp features which once you familiarise yourself with them are obvious in most instances. Quote
Accumulator Posted December 24, 2011 Posted December 24, 2011 and another question about that 1946 one penny coin.i know there is unique 1952 penny.on photo my 1946 looks the same as proof 1952...where can i found out is it proof or not?Your penny is definitely not a proof. Proofs other than for 1937, 1950 and 1951 are extremely to excessively rare. A proof will have mirror fields and very sharp features which once you familiarise yourself with them are obvious in most instances.Your 1946 is actually quite worn and may exhibit a shine only because it has been polished in the past. Here are a couple of a proof pennies for comparison (1937 & 1970): Quote
davidrj Posted December 24, 2011 Posted December 24, 2011 Best reference I have is The Encyclopedia of the coins of Malaysia Singapore and Brunei 1400-1967 by Saran Singh. downloadFound it! it was in the footnotes "Overstruck on a worn English halfpenny of George II. 31mm copper"Also known overstruck on worn George III farthings and shillings"These are pocket pieces made by the staff engaged upon the minting of these tokens for their amusement at the SOHO mint, Birmingham"David Quote
HAXall Posted December 24, 2011 Author Posted December 24, 2011 i can see difference with those proofs,but this one 1952 looks almost like mine. Quote
Peckris Posted December 25, 2011 Posted December 25, 2011 i can see difference with those proofs,but this one 1952 looks almost like mine.No - have a closer look. Note particularly Britannia's face, hand, and foot. On yours, the finger detail has totally worn away, the face is only a vague blur, and the foot is simply an outline. Whereas on that 1952 proof you can see all those details clearly. Your coin is AVF and probably slightly polished? while that proof is shiny from being a proof. In hand you would see the difference dramatically. Quote
davidrj Posted December 25, 2011 Posted December 25, 2011 so is it worth anything,David?Hard to say, such items never appear in priced catalogues, but there is a market for numismatic curiosities and counterstruck coinsOnly the market on the day will tell you, if two people really want it ..........David Quote
HAXall Posted December 25, 2011 Author Posted December 25, 2011 ok-ok,i don't insist.but what if proof was in circulation? Quote
HAXall Posted December 25, 2011 Author Posted December 25, 2011 Thank You ,David,for your help!!maybe i will try to sell it on @flebay@ later. Quote
Gollum Posted December 25, 2011 Posted December 25, 2011 HAXall. May not be relevant but I found this article that has the reverse of your coin to it.http://www.ngccoin.com/news/viewarticle.aspx?IDArticle=2387&Coingage-of-Sarawak Quote
Gollum Posted December 25, 2011 Posted December 25, 2011 Looks like a singapore copper cock token to me. See this page.http://dniewcollectors.blogspot.com/2011/10/cock-tokens.html Quote
Gollum Posted December 25, 2011 Posted December 25, 2011 Sorry guys but I have lost tthe edit facility so am having to post numerous times !.From what I am reading it is rather erm collectable and may be worth a few shekels !.Then again I am only a begginer.http://dniewcollectors.blogspot.com/2011/11/singapore-tokens.html Quote
Peckris Posted December 25, 2011 Posted December 25, 2011 ok-ok,i don't insist.but what if proof was in circulation?The only proof for 1946 (if any exist) would a be a very rare VIP proof, which exist for many dates in the series. However, I've not heard of one circulating as (1) they were only issued to VIPs and (2) why would anyone spend something whose face value was only one penny but obviously worth a great deal more as a rare proof? I'm not sure why you believe yours is a proof, as it looks like a bog-standard circulated 1946. Quote
HAXall Posted December 27, 2011 Author Posted December 27, 2011 Thank You for Your help,Peckris. now i know a little bit more! Quote
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