Vicky Halfcrowns Type A3

[Mat]

Is 13.8g acceptable for an 1839 or 1840 half crown in FINE condition? I do not have another in F to compare. My 1848/7 in much less than F also weighs 13.8 so just want to double check on authencity...

Thanks in advance

Mat

[Red Riley]

Is 13.8g acceptable for an 1839 or 1840 half crown in FINE condition? I do not have another in F to compare. My 1848/7 in much less than F also weighs 13.8 so just want to double check on authencity...

Thanks in advance

Mat

I would have thought so. Weight is usually a good guide to whether a coin is 'dodgy' or not but as forgers become more sophisticated the weights will approach the correct values, so not a 100% guarantee but a reasonable guide.

[Mat]

Is 13.8g acceptable for an 1839 or 1840 half crown in FINE condition? I do not have another in F to compare. My 1848/7 in much less than F also weighs 13.8 so just want to double check on authencity...

Thanks in advance

Mat

I would have thought so. Weight is usually a good guide to whether a coin is 'dodgy' or not but as forgers become more sophisticated the weights will approach the correct values, so not a 100% guarantee but a reasonable guide.

Thanks for that, just picked up a currency 1839 at a reasonable price. It ticks all the right boxes for being genuine, I analysed it for about 2 hours against 4 other currency pictures I found on the net so all is looking good!

[argentumandcoins]

Is 13.8g acceptable for an 1839 or 1840 half crown in FINE condition? I do not have another in F to compare. My 1848/7 in much less than F also weighs 13.8 so just want to double check on authencity...

Thanks in advance

Mat

I would have thought so. Weight is usually a good guide to whether a coin is 'dodgy' or not but as forgers become more sophisticated the weights will approach the correct values, so not a 100% guarantee but a reasonable guide.

Thanks for that, just picked up a currency 1839 at a reasonable price. It ticks all the right boxes for being genuine, I analysed it for about 2 hours against 4 other currency pictures I found on the net so all is looking good!

Depending on what you have paid for it you could submit it to Robert Matthews for authentication.

[Mat]

Is 13.8g acceptable for an 1839 or 1840 half crown in FINE condition? I do not have another in F to compare. My 1848/7 in much less than F also weighs 13.8 so just want to double check on authencity...

Thanks in advance

Mat

I would have thought so. Weight is usually a good guide to whether a coin is 'dodgy' or not but as forgers become more sophisticated the weights will approach the correct values, so not a 100% guarantee but a reasonable guide.

Thanks for that, just picked up a currency 1839 at a reasonable price. It ticks all the right boxes for being genuine, I analysed it for about 2 hours against 4 other currency pictures I found on the net so all is looking good!

Depending on what you have paid for it you could submit it to Robert Matthews for authentication.

Thanks for that, I was not aware of Robert Matthews or his site.

[VickySilver]

The A3 1839 2/6 graded by PCGS MS64 - - www.PCGS.com in the census is ex-Glens and is the real thing. I might be able to get the cert number so you can look it up as it may be amongst the finest out there.

[VickySilver]

PS - I bet that one would cost a fair bit!!!

[Mat]

The A3 1839 2/6 graded by PCGS MS64 - - www.PCGS.com in the census is ex-Glens and is the real thing. I might be able to get the cert number so you can look it up as it may be amongst the finest out there.

Yes please, the more info I can get the better.

A dealer called Danny someone.... that does the Midland and London coin fair has one that he feels is the finest known. I think it was the one that sold with Spink in 2005 for £3500 + fees. Either way he has a £10,000 price tag on it. I do not recall it being in a PCGS slab though.

[VickySilver]

I believe the Glens piece superior, but don't have a pic of "Danny's" coin as I do vaguely recall about 2 or three other pieces showing up incl. Spink, and that the Colin Adams Sale had a proof that was conjectured to be currency; also Rasmussen had one of these...I assume you have seen the C. Adams Sale Catalogue?

PCGS cert number is:

18522635

BTW Rob is a great source for much of this related information.

Edited November 27, 2011 by VickySilver

[VickySilver]

Mat check the World And Ancient section on the message boards on the www.PCGS.com site for an huge blowup of the Glens coin

[Mat]

Mat check the World And Ancient section on the message boards on the www.PCGS.com site for an huge blowup of the Glens coin

Eric, thanks for the extra sources. It added two more images which has helped me reach a conclusion......

I have painstakingly analysed 11 images of s.3887 1839 half crowns now. 6 supposedly currency issues and 5 milled edge proofs.

Assuming they are indeed currency issues as described by the auction houses, not one of the 6 currency issues are the same as each other. I have found many micro variations in each one. I can also identify two variations in the proofs but they are pretty much consistent.

My new acquisition is definitely s.3887 and not a worn s.3885 milled edge proof, however with the lack of available specimens and with each one I have analysed being different, I it hard to point the finger. I would however tend to lean more towards the currency issue as there are micro variations on it which I cannot identify on any of the s.3887 proofs but I can on two of the currency issue images.

Just to confirm, the currency issue that J, Danny Gill had on offer at the Midlands coin fair for £10,000 is not the Ex Glen one. I would say they are very very similar in condition but the ex glen has such toning which Gill's does not.