odd looking penny

[Peckris]

There's red and there's red scott. Or brown, actually! Your penny has the typical colouration seen between 1920 and 1922, and possibly earlier but almost invariable for those dates. However, you will see that our friend's 1912 is noticeably redder, as many of the KNs are.

A rather red penny, definitely from the KN mint!

An enviable grade - very definitely VF and exactly the sort I've been looking for. If it wasn't your own John, I'd ask how much you wanted for it!

[Accumulator]

An enviable grade - very definitely VF and exactly the sort I've been looking for. If it wasn't your own John, I'd ask how much you wanted for it!

Thank you. I'm always on the look out for an unc example so will keep you in mind for the day I do manage to find an upgrade!

[Peckris]

An enviable grade - very definitely VF and exactly the sort I've been looking for. If it wasn't your own John, I'd ask how much you wanted for it!

Thank you. I'm always on the look out for an unc example so will keep you in mind for the day I do manage to find an upgrade!

I notice you only put the reverse up - is the obverse the usual Billy No Hair?

[andrew_]

i bought this charles ii groat today what do you think?

[andrew_]

ignore me im going senile its a threepence isnt it!

[Peckris]

ignore me im going senile its a threepence isnt it!

It's a perfectly acceptable threepence. Apart from some strange planchet damage below the portrait..

[Accumulator]

I notice you only put the reverse up - is the obverse the usual Billy No Hair?

That's about it!

[Peckris]

I notice you only put the reverse up - is the obverse the usual Billy No Hair?

That's about it!

Oh yes! Though I've seen worse - I have a 1919H that's GEF for general wear, but has less hair detail than that.

[andrew_]

ignore me im going senile its a threepence isnt it!

It's a perfectly acceptable threepence. Apart from some strange planchet damage below the portrait..

Ive decided to sell it anyway ( http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/170723157733 ) as you can see from my listing i cant grade to save my life still, but ive decided im going to focus my collection to nice grade bunhead pennies, i have been buying coins in a scatter-brained way, i have 1 last coin about to arrive ( a septimus severus silver denarius) which ill sell, then ill start on a proper collection.

[1949threepence]

hi, i found this 1912 penny and it looks really odd to me, on the reverse? (brittania side) there seems to be almost no rim, like its beaded up to the edge with hardly any rim. the sea to the left of brittania seems to merge with the beads, and on the back it looks really deep and super sharp, the reverse rim and beading together is less than 0.5mm and over 1mm for the obverse. dunno if you can tell from my scan but it really doesnt look normal:

http://i545.photobuc...01/oddpenny.jpg

Well, as others have hinted, they mostly look like that, including mine.

[Peckris]

ignore me im going senile its a threepence isnt it!

It's a perfectly acceptable threepence. Apart from some strange planchet damage below the portrait..

Ive decided to sell it anyway ( http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/170723157733 ) as you can see from my listing i cant grade to save my life still, but ive decided im going to focus my collection to nice grade bunhead pennies, i have been buying coins in a scatter-brained way, i have 1 last coin about to arrive ( a septimus severus silver denarius) which ill sell, then ill start on a proper collection.

Do you have pictures?

[andrew_]

ignore me im going senile its a threepence isnt it!

It's a perfectly acceptable threepence. Apart from some strange planchet damage below the portrait..

Ive decided to sell it anyway ( http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/170723157733 ) as you can see from my listing i cant grade to save my life still, but ive decided im going to focus my collection to nice grade bunhead pennies, i have been buying coins in a scatter-brained way, i have 1 last coin about to arrive ( a septimus severus silver denarius) which ill sell, then ill start on a proper collection.

Do you have pictures?

gimmee a minute, i have a pic but it hasnt arrived yet

Edited November 4, 2011 by andrew_

[andrew_]

ignore me im going senile its a threepence isnt it!

It's a perfectly acceptable threepence. Apart from some strange planchet damage below the portrait..

Ive decided to sell it anyway ( http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/170723157733 ) as you can see from my listing i cant grade to save my life still, but ive decided im going to focus my collection to nice grade bunhead pennies, i have been buying coins in a scatter-brained way, i have 1 last coin about to arrive ( a septimus severus silver denarius) which ill sell, then ill start on a proper collection.

Do you have pictures?

gimmee a minute, i have a pic but it hasnt arrived yet

[andrew_]

here you go

[andrew_]

i have allsorts of coins on ebay at the moment that noone will buy from me; charles ii to nazi, tbh i wouldnt sell them if i wasnt so skint a student, and in my stupidity i paid more than what im selling them for, i just hope they go so i can start afresh with a proper collecting plan so when i eventually get more money i buy good stuff that i like

[andrew_]

by the way just to let you know im not here trying to spam the forum with my ebay, i do really like collecting coins and am here learning the error of my ways so far

[Peckris]

here you go

Thanks - it's probably not a high enough grade for me, but thank you for posting it.

by the way just to let you know im not here trying to spam the forum with my ebay, i do really like collecting coins and am here learning the error of my ways so far

No-one thinks you're spamming! We have enough real spammers already. And it's good to learn from your mistakes, I bet I have more than a few in my collection.

[andrew_]

one guy i bought a coin of said he had 3 unc 1870's 1d's so ive asked him to provide photos and price he requests, fingers crossed x

[Red Riley]

Ive decided to sell it anyway ( http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/170723157733 ) as you can see from my listing i cant grade to save my life still, but ive decided im going to focus my collection to nice grade bunhead pennies, i have been buying coins in a scatter-brained way, i have 1 last coin about to arrive ( a septimus severus silver denarius) which ill sell, then ill start on a proper collection.

Accepting that you may be new to grading (the coin is probably around GF), there is one other thing that would earn you a teensy slap across the wrist, and that is in describing the coin as 'rare' when it's nothing of the sort. The coin is perfectly collectable but your heading is likely to get collectors' backs up and result in a lack of trust. If you want help with grading, I'm sure there are plenty of people on here who will throw you a lifeline, juat post a picture before listing and we'll help out but as regards the description, if you are unaware of how rare the coin actually is, suggest you say nowt.

Lecture over!

[andrew_]

Ive decided to sell it anyway ( http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/170723157733 ) as you can see from my listing i cant grade to save my life still, but ive decided im going to focus my collection to nice grade bunhead pennies, i have been buying coins in a scatter-brained way, i have 1 last coin about to arrive ( a septimus severus silver denarius) which ill sell, then ill start on a proper collection.

Accepting that you may be new to grading (the coin is probably around GF), there is one other thing that would earn you a teensy slap across the wrist, and that is in describing the coin as 'rare' when it's nothing of the sort. The coin is perfectly collectable but your heading is likely to get collectors' backs up and result in a lack of trust. If you want help with grading, I'm sure there are plenty of people on here who will throw you a lifeline, juat post a picture before listing and we'll help out but as regards the description, if you are unaware of how rare the coin actually is, suggest you say nowt.

Lecture over!

i was describing that coin with the what seems to be a die error as making it rarer, not a charles ii threepence as rare, but anyway thanks for the heads up

[Peckris]

Ive decided to sell it anyway ( http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/170723157733 ) as you can see from my listing i cant grade to save my life still, but ive decided im going to focus my collection to nice grade bunhead pennies, i have been buying coins in a scatter-brained way, i have 1 last coin about to arrive ( a septimus severus silver denarius) which ill sell, then ill start on a proper collection.

Accepting that you may be new to grading (the coin is probably around GF), there is one other thing that would earn you a teensy slap across the wrist, and that is in describing the coin as 'rare' when it's nothing of the sort. The coin is perfectly collectable but your heading is likely to get collectors' backs up and result in a lack of trust. If you want help with grading, I'm sure there are plenty of people on here who will throw you a lifeline, juat post a picture before listing and we'll help out but as regards the description, if you are unaware of how rare the coin actually is, suggest you say nowt.

Lecture over!

i was describing that coin with the what seems to be a die error as making it rarer, not a charles ii threepence as rare, but anyway thanks for the heads up

Oops, I hadn't been to look at your listing. Yes, Derek is quite right - the grading is WAY out. Have a look at the flat area between the back of the head and the face - on a coin VF or better, you would see that that is a laurel crown over Charles' wig; you would see every leaf and you would see every curl in the wig. Yours is barely Fine (obverse) but GF (reverse) so an average of Fine would be about right.

[Red Riley]

i was describing that coin with the what seems to be a die error as making it rarer, not a charles ii threepence as rare, but anyway thanks for the heads up

The error is possibly planchet rather than die related and likely to make the coin less rather than more valuable. It makes it rarer I suppose, but only in the same way as if somebody had scratched their initials on it.

Incidentally, I have a William III halfcrown which has a very similar problem where a piece of the planchet seems to have flaked off before the coin was minted.

[andrew_]

i was describing that coin with the what seems to be a die error as making it rarer, not a charles ii threepence as rare, but anyway thanks for the heads up

The error is possibly planchet rather than die related and likely to make the coin less rather than more valuable. It makes it rarer I suppose, but only in the same way as if somebody had scratched their initials on it.

Incidentally, I have a William III halfcrown which has a very similar problem where a piece of the planchet seems to have flaked off before the coin was minted.

the bit where it looks damaged is slightly thicker than the rest of the coin, i dont know if it was a lumpy planchet, or part of the die was broken, but the part is slightly raised above where the lettering is supposed to be. it has a vague bit of stamping on the raised bit, but not what it should be, can anyone tell me what probably happened to it?