1881 Shilling

[wasswasp]

Any body got any pictures of the two types of 1881 shilling .trying to find one with the line under

[azda]

Any body got any pictures of the two types of 1881 shilling .trying to find one with the line under

I assume you mean this one?

[wasswasp]

Any body got any pictures of the two types of 1881 shilling .trying to find one with the line under

if that what they mean by line under thanks. seen loads of them must be the ones without the line i need

[azda]

Any body got any pictures of the two types of 1881 shilling .trying to find one with the line under

if that what they mean by line under thanks. seen loads of them must be the ones without the line i need

My apologies

[wasswasp]

Any body got any pictures of the two types of 1881 shilling .trying to find one with the line under

if that what they mean by line under thanks. seen loads of them must be the ones without the line i need

My apologies

No thank you

[wasswasp]

Any body got any pictures of the two types of 1881 shilling .trying to find one with the line under

if that what they mean by line under thanks. seen loads of them must be the ones without the line i need

My apologies

No thank you

Anybody got a picture of one without the line under ? so i can see what i am looking for thanks

[Rob]

What is the reference for the no line shilling? Spink doesn't list one. Davies lists 3 varieties - cross to bead, cross to space and SHILLING more spaced. No mention of what would be a blindingly obvious missing line below SHILLING though. ESC lists a shorter line which is the same visual effect as a more spaced SHILLING. Coincraft hedges its bets and in footnote 10 says lettering and line length varies. I've never seen or heard of one. The immediate reaction would be that no line below shilling is most likely due to a blocked die or it has been physically removed.

[wasswasp]

What is the reference for the no line shilling? Spink doesn't list one. Davies lists 3 varieties - cross to bead, cross to space and SHILLING more spaced. No mention of what would be a blindingly obvious missing line below SHILLING though. ESC lists a shorter line which is the same visual effect as a more spaced SHILLING. Coincraft hedges its bets and in footnote 10 says lettering and line length varies. I've never seen or heard of one. The immediate reaction would be that no line below shilling is most likely due to a blocked die or it has been physically removed.

ESC 1338E yes that is right not no line .shorter or longer line thanks .going down right track now

[Rob]

What is the reference for the no line shilling? Spink doesn't list one. Davies lists 3 varieties - cross to bead, cross to space and SHILLING more spaced. No mention of what would be a blindingly obvious missing line below SHILLING though. ESC lists a shorter line which is the same visual effect as a more spaced SHILLING. Coincraft hedges its bets and in footnote 10 says lettering and line length varies. I've never seen or heard of one. The immediate reaction would be that no line below shilling is most likely due to a blocked die or it has been physically removed.

ESC 1338E yes that is right not no line .shorter or longer line thanks .going down right track now

No problem, my thought processes were malfunctioning too - I hadn't considered faulty question as an option.

[wasswasp]

What is the reference for the no line shilling? Spink doesn't list one. Davies lists 3 varieties - cross to bead, cross to space and SHILLING more spaced. No mention of what would be a blindingly obvious missing line below SHILLING though. ESC lists a shorter line which is the same visual effect as a more spaced SHILLING. Coincraft hedges its bets and in footnote 10 says lettering and line length varies. I've never seen or heard of one. The immediate reaction would be that no line below shilling is most likely due to a blocked die or it has been physically removed.

ESC 1338E yes that is right not no line .shorter or longer line thanks .going down right track now

No problem, my thought processes were malfunctioning too - I hadn't considered faulty question as an option.

what about the 1871 wide date or just normal looked for a wide date in books and on net not found ? as you are the only person awake

[Rob]

what about the 1871 wide date or just normal looked for a wide date in books and on net not found ? as you are the only person awake

The date spacing on any coin prior to 1879 is due to the fact that the dies were finished with the addition of the last two digits by hand. The footnote on p.135 of ESC refers. If you look through past sales you will find that pennies and other denominations exist with only partial dates such as a copper 18 penny, or the 181 half crown.

True wide or narrow dates are uniformly spaced so.

Edited May 6, 2011 by Rob

[wasswasp]

what about the 1871 wide date or just normal looked for a wide date in books and on net not found ? as you are the only person awake

The date spacing on any coin prior to 1879 is due to the fact that the dies were finished with the addition of the last two digits by hand. The footnote on p.135 of ESC refers. If you look through past sales you will find that pennies and other denominations exist with only partial dates such as a copper 18 penny, or the 181 half crown.

True wide or narrow dates are uniformly spaced so.

Thanks Rob so its just a normal.Sorry new to all this some members seem a bit sharp Thanks again

[Rob]

what about the 1871 wide date or just normal looked for a wide date in books and on net not found ? as you are the only person awake

The date spacing on any coin prior to 1879 is due to the fact that the dies were finished with the addition of the last two digits by hand. The footnote on p.135 of ESC refers. If you look through past sales you will find that pennies and other denominations exist with only partial dates such as a copper 18 penny, or the 181 half crown.

True wide or narrow dates are uniformly spaced so.

Thanks Rob so its just a normal.Sorry new to all this some members seem a bit sharp Thanks again

In my opinion, undue attention is paid to the position of the last digit or two of the date given we know they were hand made. It's ok as part of a die study for a series as it is one of the few ways to readily identify different dies, but for the average or new collector this is not really relevant.

To go back to the previous point, here are a couple of images from another thread. 1862 halfpennies with different end spacing and Wide and narrow date 1876H halfpennies. The first is a random result and although technically a variety, it arose by pure chance. The second is a design feature as the dates on both are equally but differently spaced, and most importantly of all consistently so between nominally identical dies.

Edited May 6, 2011 by Rob

[Red Riley]

In my opinion, undue attention is paid to the position of the last digit or two of the date given we know they were hand made. It's ok as part of a die study for a series as it is one of the few ways to readily identify different dies, but for the average or new collector this is not really relevant.

Absolutely right. A die must exhibit way more than that to even approach being classified as a variety. IMHO of course!