A little help on an 1881 H Penny

[azda]

Anyone help with the OBV and REV on the 1881 H Penny, unfortunately the gallery picture from the dealer isn't that great and i don't want to alert him to the fact of possible rarity so i'm wondering if any forum member can tell from the crappy pictures what we have here.

So i'm hoping 9+M F103 Gouby BP 1881 G but to be honest i'm curious because i can't work it out. I thought viccies hooked nose would be enough to work it out

Edited January 26, 2011 by azda

[azda]

So i emailed the seller to ask how many berries were in the wreath, to which He replied 4. Anyone out there that can help a Little?

[azda]

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[HistoryTreasures]

Is that perhaps because we don't all know that much about these rareties?

How much of the share would you be willing to impart with someone anyway?

[Bronze & Copper Collector]

I'm not near my computer at home with my images... But it is NOT at F-103.... The ribbon does NOT flair out at the back as it should on the rarer obverse...

[azda]

Is that perhaps because we don't all know that much about these rareties?

How much of the share would you be willing to impart with someone anyway?

I really must get my nose into Michaels Goubys book and start to work out the varieties

I'm not near my computer at home with my images... But it is NOT at F-103.... The ribbon does NOT flair out at the back as it should on the rarer obverse...

Thanks for that Bronze & Copper

[Accumulator]

I'm not near my computer at home with my images... But it is NOT at F-103.... The ribbon does NOT flair out at the back as it should on the rarer obverse...

I think... F103 with OBV 9 has only 7 border teeth between the colon after the D and the colon after the G (including the teeth directly above the colons), yours has 8 which suggests OBV 11?

[Bronze & Copper Collector]

I'm not near my computer at home with my images... But it is NOT at F-103.... The ribbon does NOT flair out at the back as it should on the rarer obverse...

I think... F103 with OBV 9 has only 7 border teeth between the colon after the D and the colon after the G (including the teeth directly above the colons), yours has 8 which suggests OBV 11?

That too....

[DarrenH]

Anyone help with the OBV and REV on the 1881 H Penny, unfortunately the gallery picture from the dealer isn't that great and i don't want to alert him to the fact of possible rarity so i'm wondering if any forum member can tell from the crappy pictures what we have here.

So i'm hoping 9+M F103 Gouby BP 1881 G but to be honest i'm curious because i can't work it out. I thought viccies hooked nose would be enough to work it out

Hi Azda,

What is the finer details on this coin to look out for? as i have one of these at home in slightly better condition than the one in the pictures you've posted here??

[Bernie]

Anyone help with the OBV and REV on the 1881 H Penny, unfortunately the gallery picture from the dealer isn't that great and i don't want to alert him to the fact of possible rarity so i'm wondering if any forum member can tell from the crappy pictures what we have here.

So i'm hoping 9+M F103 Gouby BP 1881 G but to be honest i'm curious because i can't work it out. I thought viccies hooked nose would be enough to work it out

Hi Azda,

What is the finer details on this coin to look out for? as i have one of these at home in slightly better condition than the one in the pictures you've posted here??

Victoria has a straighter back all the way down to the border teeth, the whole bust is larger, the legend is heavier

[azda]

Anyone help with the OBV and REV on the 1881 H Penny, unfortunately the gallery picture from the dealer isn't that great and i don't want to alert him to the fact of possible rarity so i'm wondering if any forum member can tell from the crappy pictures what we have here.

So i'm hoping 9+M F103 Gouby BP 1881 G but to be honest i'm curious because i can't work it out. I thought viccies hooked nose would be enough to work it out

Hi Azda,

What is the finer details on this coin to look out for? as i have one of these at home in slightly better condition than the one in the pictures you've posted here??

Victoria has a straighter back all the way down to the border teeth, the whole bust is larger, the legend is heavier

Thanks for the replies people, always helpful when deciding if something is rare or not. As said, i really must get my nose into Michael Goubys book sometime, just need the time.

Also thanks to Bernie for the sample picture, i've save it for future reference

Edited January 29, 2011 by azda

[1949threepence]

I definitely think obv 11, but am slightly undecided on the reverse. Although the date position in the exergue is indeed slightly lower, as suggested for rev M, the drapery of Britannia's clothing parallel with the shield, seems too detailed for that reverse, and although the shield appears flat, it doesn't appear to be heraldically coloured. So is it rev J ? ~ I can't tell properly from the pic, but the topmost part of the plume should be 1.1mm from the point on the linear circle nearest to it.

Not sure about the reverse, but if it is rev J, it could be a F106, with a rarity factor of 14 (251 to 500 known specimens). If rev M, then it's a commoner F108 R5.

[Accumulator]

Not sure about the reverse, but if it is rev J, it could be a F106, with a rarity factor of 14 (251 to 500 known specimens). If rev M, then it's a commoner F108 R5.

Isn't F106 without the H, which leaves only F108?

[1949threepence]

Not sure about the reverse, but if it is rev J, it could be a F106, with a rarity factor of 14 (251 to 500 known specimens). If rev M, then it's a commoner F108 R5.

Isn't F106 without the H, which leaves only F108?

Yep, you're right. I got carried away with the examination details. As you say, it only leaves F108, F106 not being possible with an H.