1967 Elizabeth II Sixpence

[Rob75]

Hi all,

I have attempted to grade this coin.

I would suggest fine, mainly because as you can see some hairs on the head of the monarch and would value coin between .50p-£1.

Would be grateful for your thoughts.

Robert

www.thechestofcoins.com

[just.me]

Hi all,

I have attempted to grade this coin.

I would suggest fine, mainly because as you can see some hairs on the head of the monarch and would value coin between .50p-£1.

Would be grateful for your thoughts.

Robert

www.thechestofcoins.com

all Elizabeth 6d are very common especially 1967. even top grade 1967 wouldn't get 50p. most folk would probably send it to the melting pot for face value 2.5p.

[Red Riley]

Hi all,

I have attempted to grade this coin.

I would suggest fine, mainly because as you can see some hairs on the head of the monarch and would value coin between .50p-£1.

Would be grateful for your thoughts.

Robert

www.thechestofcoins.com

Academic exercise I know, but at least VF. Most people don't even bother...

[Peckris]

Hi all,

I have attempted to grade this coin.

I would suggest fine, mainly because as you can see some hairs on the head of the monarch and would value coin between .50p-£1.

Would be grateful for your thoughts.

Robert

www.thechestofcoins.com

I'd say Fine+ for the obverse (not enough hair detail for VF) but the reverse is definitely VF minimum.

And as the man said, the value of a 1967 penny, 3d bit, halfpenny or sixpence is nominal, i.e. nothing. Even BU examples are hard to shift. The only items of value are the halfcrown (phased out in '69) and florin (replaced by 10p in 1968), but they really have to be BU.

[Red Riley]

I'd say Fine+ for the obverse (not enough hair detail for VF) but the reverse is definitely VF minimum.

And as the man said, the value of a 1967 penny, 3d bit, halfpenny or sixpence is nominal, i.e. nothing. Even BU examples are hard to shift. The only items of value are the halfcrown (phased out in '69) and florin (replaced by 10p in 1968), but they really have to be BU.

These coins are very seldom graded below EF but I have a feeling that by rating it as low as fine, we are perhaps jumping straight through VF without stopping. Although it was quite a nice portrait, the obverse detail was always very shallow and as such parts of the design did erode very quickly. When all said and done, a 1967 sixpence has had a maximum of 13 years circulation and unless it was initially a very weak strike, I just don't think that's enough to get it to into the fine category. We can argue about this one, because ultimately it doesn't matter a fig!

[Peckris]

I'd say Fine+ for the obverse (not enough hair detail for VF) but the reverse is definitely VF minimum.

And as the man said, the value of a 1967 penny, 3d bit, halfpenny or sixpence is nominal, i.e. nothing. Even BU examples are hard to shift. The only items of value are the halfcrown (phased out in '69) and florin (replaced by 10p in 1968), but they really have to be BU.

These coins are very seldom graded below EF but I have a feeling that by rating it as low as fine, we are perhaps jumping straight through VF without stopping. Although it was quite a nice portrait, the obverse detail was always very shallow and as such parts of the design did erode very quickly. When all said and done, a 1967 sixpence has had a maximum of 13 years circulation and unless it was initially a very weak strike, I just don't think that's enough to get it to into the fine category. We can argue about this one, because ultimately it doesn't matter a fig!

I'd rate all the obverse as VF apart from the hair detail. Which in my book has to NOT contain completely bald (worn) patches to rate VF. Talking of books, I'll have to consult yours Derek, to see how you graded Liz!!

It's a difficult area though. I have a 1919H penny which is better than EF generally, but has virtually NO hair detail at all (due to the common use of worn dies by Heatons). How do you grade that? Virtually impossible.

[Red Riley]

I'd rate all the obverse as VF apart from the hair detail. Which in my book has to NOT contain completely bald (worn) patches to rate VF. Talking of books, I'll have to consult yours Derek, to see how you graded Liz!!

It's a difficult area though. I have a 1919H penny which is better than EF generally, but has virtually NO hair detail at all (due to the common use of worn dies by Heatons). How do you grade that? Virtually impossible.

The one in my book (I think it was a florin) had better hair but not such a strong laurel wreath! I was actually giving this sixpence a little bit of leeway for what may not be a perfect photograph.

As regards the 1919H penny, to me it is 'EF Weak strike'. My view is that it is best to reserve grading for wear, other peculiarities should be described in words. As for calculating a value, well who knows? I wouldn't buy such a thing without at least a high quality photograph, but better in the hand. Quite the worst obverse strike I have ever seen is the 1918 Royal Mint penny shown on P18 of the book. I got this from change c.1970. It's EF but the head is virtually featureless. The reverse is a lot better but still not perfect...

[declanwmagee]

Hi all,

I have attempted to grade this coin.

I would suggest fine, mainly because as you can see some hairs on the head of the monarch and would value coin between .50p-£1.

Would be grateful for your thoughts.

Robert

www.thechestofcoins.com

I'd say Fine+ for the obverse (not enough hair detail for VF) but the reverse is definitely VF minimum.

And as the man said, the value of a 1967 penny, 3d bit, halfpenny or sixpence is nominal, i.e. nothing. Even BU examples are hard to shift. The only items of value are the halfcrown (phased out in '69) and florin (replaced by 10p in 1968), but they really have to be BU.

I wouldn't be too quick to scoff, chaps. Wasn't that long ago everyone scoffed at the tricky '50s E-IIs. Now a lot of them are genuinely difficult to find. I just checked back at my sales of '67 sixpences - I try and stock everything, even them.

In the last two years I sold 13 of them. Average price £1.07. Average grade a shade under EF. Surprised me, to be honest.

[Red Riley]

I wouldn't be too quick to scoff, chaps. Wasn't that long ago everyone scoffed at the tricky '50s E-IIs. Now a lot of them are genuinely difficult to find. I just checked back at my sales of '67 sixpences - I try and stock everything, even them.

In the last two years I sold 13 of them. Average price £1.07. Average grade a shade under EF. Surprised me, to be honest.

It's good that some are shifting and your assessment of average just below EF is roughly what I would have expected. I actually rather like the QE2 sixpences, I think I would have got myself in a complete tangle trying to engrave the various bits of vegetation on the reverse! I will agree about 1950s coins in high grade now becoming rather scarce.

[Peckris]

I wouldn't be too quick to scoff, chaps. Wasn't that long ago everyone scoffed at the tricky '50s E-IIs. Now a lot of them are genuinely difficult to find. I just checked back at my sales of '67 sixpences - I try and stock everything, even them.

In the last two years I sold 13 of them. Average price £1.07. Average grade a shade under EF. Surprised me, to be honest.

It's good that some are shifting and your assessment of average just below EF is roughly what I would have expected. I actually rather like the QE2 sixpences, I think I would have got myself in a complete tangle trying to engrave the various bits of vegetation on the reverse! I will agree about 1950s coins in high grade now becoming rather scarce.

Hm, depends how you define 'not that long ago' Declan! I remember as a schoolboy in the late 60s, the scarcer 1950s coins really came into their own (we're talking UNC I assume?) Now that's (gulp) over 40 years ago..

I still have a tin of BU 60s EIIs (halfcrowns down to halfpennies) which I shall now hang onto! Sounds like they might be at long last a-comin' into their own. But I won't hold mah breath.

[declanwmagee]

I always think of the 1967 sixpence as Coin One if you're starting to collect predecimal. I suppose it ought to be the ha'penny, strictly speaking, but there are a lot more people starting now than there were, say, 5 years ago.

We made a conscious decision not to leave the newbies behind, and I'm glad we did now.

[Peckris]

I always think of the 1967 sixpence as Coin One if you're starting to collect predecimal. I suppose it ought to be the ha'penny, strictly speaking, but there are a lot more people starting now than there were, say, 5 years ago.

We made a conscious decision not to leave the newbies behind, and I'm glad we did now.

I rate the desirability (and value) of 1967 coins ...

1. Florin (normal mintage, superseded by the 10 pence in 1968, circulated until 1992)

2. Halfcrown (minted 1967, 68, demonetised in 69 but always a popular denom)

3. Halfpenny 1968 (wide rim - not really scarce but probably only a quarter of 1967 mintage? Only minted 1968, demonetised 69)

4. Sixpence (minted until ?1970, planned to be phased out,reprieved and circulated until 1980)

5. Threepence (minted for 3 or 4 years - very very common but somehow popular; demonetised 1971)

6. Halfpenny 1967 (minted only one year, demonetised 69)

7. Penny (the turkey of the group - vies with 1971 1p as the commonest UK coin ever; not very popular, exists BU in huge quantities. Avoid!!)

[declanwmagee]

I always think of the 1967 sixpence as Coin One if you're starting to collect predecimal. I suppose it ought to be the ha'penny, strictly speaking, but there are a lot more people starting now than there were, say, 5 years ago.

We made a conscious decision not to leave the newbies behind, and I'm glad we did now.

I rate the desirability (and value) of 1967 coins ...

1. Florin (normal mintage, superseded by the 10 pence in 1968, circulated until 1992)

2. Halfcrown (minted 1967, 68, demonetised in 69 but always a popular denom)

3. Halfpenny 1968 (wide rim - not really scarce but probably only a quarter of 1967 mintage? Only minted 1968, demonetised 69)

4. Sixpence (minted until ?1970, planned to be phased out,reprieved and circulated until 1980)

5. Threepence (minted for 3 or 4 years - very very common but somehow popular; demonetised 1971)

6. Halfpenny 1967 (minted only one year, demonetised 69)

7. Penny (the turkey of the group - vies with 1971 1p as the commonest UK coin ever; not very popular, exists BU in huge quantities. Avoid!!)

that ties in nicely. Out of 74 sales of 1967 coins in the last 2 years, these are the UNC prices I've been able to achieve:

1. Wide rim ha'penny: £2.52

2. Florin: £2.50

3. Halfcrown: £2.04

4. Sixpence: £1.21

5. Normal ha'penny: £1.19

6. Penny: £1.19

7. Threepence: 67p

interesting that I've found it easier to sell pennies than threepences...and the Wide rims have all been recent, perhaps a trickledown effect of the new interest in varieties. Mr Groom can take some credit for that, I expect!

[Peckris]

I always think of the 1967 sixpence as Coin One if you're starting to collect predecimal. I suppose it ought to be the ha'penny, strictly speaking, but there are a lot more people starting now than there were, say, 5 years ago.

We made a conscious decision not to leave the newbies behind, and I'm glad we did now.

I rate the desirability (and value) of 1967 coins ...

1. Florin (normal mintage, superseded by the 10 pence in 1968, circulated until 1992)

2. Halfcrown (minted 1967, 68, demonetised in 69 but always a popular denom)

3. Halfpenny 1968 (wide rim - not really scarce but probably only a quarter of 1967 mintage? Only minted 1968, demonetised 69)

4. Sixpence (minted until ?1970, planned to be phased out,reprieved and circulated until 1980)

5. Threepence (minted for 3 or 4 years - very very common but somehow popular; demonetised 1971)

6. Halfpenny 1967 (minted only one year, demonetised 69)

7. Penny (the turkey of the group - vies with 1971 1p as the commonest UK coin ever; not very popular, exists BU in huge quantities. Avoid!!)

that ties in nicely. Out of 74 sales of 1967 coins in the last 2 years, these are the UNC prices I've been able to achieve:

1. Wide rim ha'penny: £2.52

2. Florin: £2.50

3. Halfcrown: £2.04

4. Sixpence: £1.21

5. Normal ha'penny: £1.19

6. Penny: £1.19

7. Threepence: 67p

interesting that I've found it easier to sell pennies than threepences...and the Wide rims have all been recent, perhaps a trickledown effect of the new interest in varieties. Mr Groom can take some credit for that, I expect!

Wow, yes that correlates quite nicely! I'm not too surprised about the penny vs 3d : the penny is one of the most popular denoms ever really. But they really are horribly horribly common. But so too are the 3d, and of all those denoms, a fully lustred 3d bit is arguably the most attractive.

I still have a supply of BU 1967 wide rims. If ever you start to run low, let me know and I can wing a few your way. :-)