1825 farthing 5 in date error

[Coins4u]

I found two of these 1825 farthings the 5 in the date looks like a misstrike.

[RLC35]

I found two of these 1825 farthings the 5 in the date looks like a misstrike.

Coins4U, My 1825 does not have the five like yours. It could yours is from a damaged die, or an might be an error. I have never seen one like yours.

Bob C.

[Colin G.]

I found two of these 1825 farthings the 5 in the date looks like a misstrike.

Coins4U, My 1825 does not have the five like yours. It could yours is from a damaged die, or an might be an error. I have never seen one like yours.

Bob C.

I have seen about 4 or 5 of these, but have not yet added them to my site, because I am unsure what to describe it as without having a copy at hand to scan and examine. It has few possibilities, which as Bob says could be a missing vertical in the 5, but there is also a 5 over 3 variety, so it may be an offspring of that variety. Coins 4 U, i don't suppose you would be interested in providing me with a 1200 dpi scan of the coin, and as an added bonus I will include your name "images courtesy of coins 4 u" or similar on the page. Drop me an e-mail if you are interested.

[Teg]

Hi,

that's neat - I had not seen one before, a picture of the whole coin / date would be good.

Colin, I don't think 5 / 3 exists.

Teg

[Hussulo]

I agree neat find. Could it not be a partially filled 5 on the die?

[Colin G.]

Hi,

that's neat - I had not seen one before, a picture of the whole coin / date would be good.

Colin, I don't think 5 / 3 exists.

Teg

Teg,

Colin Cooke made reference to the 1825 5 over 3 and I did see an image of one once and it was very clear, I believe it was off set to the left. Colin Cooke said he had only seen 2 of them when he made reference to the variety on one of his earlier lists. The reason I suggest this as some possible variant of this type is that the curved section extends too far to the right for it to be a 5. It is difficult to tell without a full image, but even if you were to add the upright of the 5 it should line up with the curve, which it would not.

I agree a full image would be useful.

[Teg]

Colin,

you are right about Mr. Cooke.

He first listed one on List 15, then the same coin on List 20 (Allerton).

Peter Lawrence had one - sold of List 51 to our own MasterJmd - he has a picture

in his gallery on this site. (Colin sold, and MasterJmd describes as "either a 5 or a 3")

I have examined the coin - and it is not clear.

Colin did not keep this for his collection (sold for "just" £12.50), and he had no other example.

When asked Colin thought that it was very likely 5/5, but would prefer to see a high grade one.

Back to the original post, could it be a slightly beat up 1823?

Teg

[Colin G.]

Colin,

you are right about Mr. Cooke.

He first listed one on List 15, then the same coin on List 20 (Allerton).

Peter Lawrence had one - sold of List 51 to our own MasterJmd - he has a picture

in his gallery on this site. (Colin sold, and MasterJmd describes as "either a 5 or a 3")

I have examined the coin - and it is not clear.

Colin did not keep this for his collection (sold for "just" £12.50), and he had no other example.

When asked Colin thought that it was very likely 5/5, but would prefer to see a high grade one.

Back to the original post, could it be a slightly beat up 1823?

Teg

Teg,

I think it is right to wait for a clearer version before confirming the variety, and I must agree having looked at the image in the gallery it is not that definitive, maybe the previous image I saw was more convincing, or maybe it is just my memory playing up!!! I thought it was much clearer.

One way of confirming it as an 1825 would be if it happened to have the raised ribs on the lowest leaves, which is not present on the 1823, if it is incuse midrib then it could still be either.

Lets hope we get to see a full image of OBV and REV, that may help, otherwise we will have to wait until another turns up

[Coins4u]

Here are the pics of the front and back hope they are helpfull!!!

[Colin G.]

Here are the pics of the front and back hope they are helpfull!!!

It looks like incuse midrib, so that still does not determine whether it is in fact 1823 or 1825 , but I think I have to agree with Teg it may actually be a faulty die on an 1823, it does look more like a 3, and the date on the 1823 farthings does tend to have that wider spacing before the last digit.

Final summary - inconclusive will have to wait until I get one to look at under magnification, and to match the size/shape of the digit

[Teg]

Hi,

thanks for adding the photos Coins4u.

I agree with Colin G.

If it is 1825, which I doubt, it must be 1825 / 1823.

I will keep an eye out for a clear specimen.

Keep these varieties coming Coins4u - always good to look again at these.

Thanks

Teg

[Garrett]

I missed out on this one,

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1825-Great-Britain-George-III-Farthing-copper-coin-encased-in-resin-/271579937448?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEDWX%3AIT&_trksid=p2047675.l2557&nma=true&si=%252BU5hBtf5wmMq69YHry8S6xkbb%252BI%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

Clear 5 over 5 overdate and possibly a high grade coin.

But in resin ?

A prior museum piece perhaps ?

Would have been a nice curio.

cheers

Garrett.