1837, small 7 over large 7, Halif Penny

[RLC35]

Is the coin shown (1837 1/2d, small 7 over large 7) listed in any of the references? I have looked in Peck, but can't find. it. The 1837 is a low mintage 1/2d at 349,400, but I want to know if this re-punching adds any scarcity.

Bob C.

[Rob]

Is the coin shown (1837 1/2d, small 7 over large 7) listed in any of the references? I have looked in Peck, but can't find. it. The 1837 is a low mintage 1/2d at 349,400, but I want to know if this re-punching adds any scarcity.

Bob C.

Michael Gouby notes three types on his site. Long 7, Short 7 and Short over Long 7. I wouldn't think it would make any difference to the price.

[RLC35]

Is the coin shown (1837 1/2d, small 7 over large 7) listed in any of the references? I have looked in Peck, but can't find. it. The 1837 is a low mintage 1/2d at 349,400, but I want to know if this re-punching adds any scarcity.

Bob C.

Michael Gouby notes three types on his site. Long 7, Short 7 and Short over Long 7. I wouldn't think it would make any difference to the price.

Thanks Rob. I have Gouby's penny book, but not one that has 1/2 pennys in it. I'll check the site out. I didn't think of it earlier. I appreciate your response.

Bob C.

[Chingford]

Is the coin shown (1837 1/2d, small 7 over large 7) listed in any of the references? I have looked in Peck, but can't find. it. The 1837 is a low mintage 1/2d at 349,400, but I want to know if this re-punching adds any scarcity.

Bob C.

There three types of 1837 Halfpenny date, none of the current refrrence books refer to the variations.

They are Short 7, Long 7 and short over long as your example, Michael Gouby shows the three types on his web site.

It would seem the 7/7 is the more common of the three

John

[RLC35]

Is the coin shown (1837 1/2d, small 7 over large 7) listed in any of the references? I have looked in Peck, but can't find. it. The 1837 is a low mintage 1/2d at 349,400, but I want to know if this re-punching adds any scarcity.

Bob C.

There three types of 1837 Halfpenny date, none of the current refrrence books refer to the variations.

They are Short 7, Long 7 and short over long as your example, Michael Gouby shows the three types on his web site.

It would seem the 7/7 is the more common of the three

John

John,

Thanks for your input. Gouby shows some good examples of the three types.

Bob C.

[josie]

Is there any chance to have long 7 over long 7 or small 7 over small 7 or long 7 over small for thier are 2 die used.

[Chingford]

Is there any chance to have long 7 over long 7 or small 7 over small 7 or long 7 over small for thier are 2 die used.

There is every chance of any of the above combinations exist, just needs someone with the time to study enough coins of the date and record the findings.

Coppers are very poorly researched, nothing much was ever recorded by the Mint or the records are lost.

Most collectors refer to Pecks for the recorded variations, although Bramahs actually recorded far more variations to the Copper series than are actually knowingly collected, as they were not documented by Peck in his work.

John

[josie]

Well the tail of small seven is somewhat not aligned to the near end long seven.

About looking on Repunched Date and reference it is quite hard for me.

[Teg]

Coppers are very poorly researched, nothing much was ever recorded by the Mint or the records are lost.

Most collectors refer to Pecks for the recorded variations, although Bramahs actually recorded far more variations to the Copper series than are actually knowingly collected, as they were not documented by Peck in his work.

John

Hi,

Peck did an amazing job on the copper series. He gave a framework for the SOHO series; differentiated between patterns and medalets; described virtually every variation in design for the whole series and cleared many errors. He had to limit his book to what he thought was numismatically important - and what was achievable. His book is 650 odd pages, imagine the size and cost if he had listed every currency die variation.

However these things change, not many of us can afford to be general collectors - a run of sovereigns, a run of crowns etc. So we specialise more than previous collectors. I know I do.

I would think that our Mint records compare quite favourably with most countries, what sort of things did you have in mind?

I am fond of Bramah's little book, but apart from some fairly spurious Vic colon 'varieties' he seems to me to have far fewer varieties than Peck. Did you mean Batty, or have I missed something?

One day I am sure we will have most of the copper series by die variety. Computer imaging and recognition is probably the way forward.

Teg

[Chingford]

Teg, my posting was specific to a series/coin/date, in particular 1825-1860 Copper Penny/Halfpennies, this is my chosen area of collecting, it wasn't meant as a generalisation.

Pecks book is monumental, I can't think of a like to compare it with either modern or old.

There are specialist books avaliable for specific denominations/types, all by specialists in that particular field, a couple of simple examples would be Bronze = Freeman, Marsh = Soveriegns, etc..

but I can't think of a book/document specifically for the Copper series, if anyone knows of one and I have missed one I would be very interested in the title/author, also any mint records or reference to the period 1825-1860.

Bramahs variations for the above series does list many variations that Peck didn't record in his book, and as his book was in 1960, Bramahs 1926, I would think Peck would have used Brahams for research.

If there are any coins Bramahs listed within 1825-1860 Halfpennies and Pennies you have had difficulty in finding, or need a Picture to help identify/confirm, drop me a PM and I'll send you a jpeg, I have identified and have an example of each.

John