Henry II Tealby Penny: Attribution help requested

[Overlord]

Hi. Sharing a Henry II Tealby Penny from Canterbury. Can the moneyer's name be attributed from the little that is on-flan?

[Ukstu]

Not 100 % sure but i think the last letter before the colons and ON is a G. So Alferg ? Perhaps. 

There is only two listed on the fitzwilliam corpus to compare with. Sadly one has no image and the other is just not that detailed due to wear. 

[Rob]

I think Alferg is only known for Bust A and this is Bust E with the hair curl, drapery joined at the left shoulder and a single row of pellets with pellet below. It doesn't look like E1 as there is no obvious triangle of pellets below the collar, so probably E2 or E3. All with the caveat that it is clearly double struck. Mint reading is CANTO, which should mean a shorter name. I'll try to dig out Allen to see if there is a die match when I clear the crap off the floor. The key will be the relative positions of the sceptre, + and hEN if there is a die match to be made, and a lot of reverse dies can be eliminated with the long mint signature.

[Ukstu]

4 hours ago, Rob said:

I think Alferg is only known for Bust A and this is Bust E with the hair curl, drapery joined at the left shoulder and a single row of pellets with pellet below. It doesn't look like E1 as there is no obvious triangle of pellets below the collar, so probably E2 or E3. All with the caveat that it is clearly double struck. Mint reading is CANTO, which should mean a shorter name. I'll try to dig out Allen to see if there is a die match when I clear the crap off the floor. The key will be the relative positions of the sceptre, + and hEN if there is a die match to be made, and a lot of reverse dies can be eliminated with the long mint signature.

Rogier ? 

Stu.

[Coinery]

With Rob’s proposition for a shorter name, I wonder whether it might be RAVL? There’s certainly a hint of the V

My only other thought is, if the city was CANT, with the O being a G instead (the 2nd curve of the ‘O’ looks straighter, so a possibility I guess?), then GOLDHAVOC  could also work?

A die-match will be the only sure way of answering the question.

[Rob]

The mint signature is certainly CANTO at the top of the rev. picture because there is no sign of a termination. Where it would be is flat, and it doesn't matter whether it is a colon or initial cross, it ain't visible.

RAVL is a distinct possibility given the width of the A. I'll bear that in mind. If the curl inside the C is an R tail, we are halfway there. The following A would be super-imposed on the A of the moneyer name, so possible slightly different profile given the possibility of made up letters from lines, crescents and wedges.

The mint signature looks to cover about 150 degrees of the legend

Edited October 24 by Rob

[Coinery]

3 hours ago, Rob said:

The mint signature is certainly CANTO at the top of the rev. picture because there is no sign of a termination. Where it would be is flat, and it doesn't matter whether it is a colon or initial cross, it ain't visible.

Good point! 

[Overlord]

Thank you, everyone. I take it this is likely to be RAVL on CANTO?

[Overlord]

The coin also came with a ticket reading ANDOVER HOARD 2018 Ref T600/129, though I haven’t been able to find it amidst the coins published on PAS.

[Rob]

Not found a positive die match for either side, but the closest reverse looks to be pl.XXI/11 with the 9-11 o'clock section being in reasonable alignment. That's a coin of Rogier. The obverse is hopeless to match with the available detail in Allen. Too many flat bits. Good old Tealbys. Never let you down when seeking a hiding to nothing.