hammered coins....Rubbed.

[Citizen H]

These two have had me wondering for months, both being rubbed I cant even make out who the crown is....

any suggestion? Many thanks "H"

  

[Citizen H]

I shared these photos with another expert.

to my surprise they both have been identified in this condition. 😲

Edward I, penny, Canterbury. CIVI TAS CAN TOR

Edward I, base silver, large flan, farthing. London LON DON IEN SIS

crikey I nearly put them in with the others that are rubbed beyond recognition. 

This has been a great end to the year for me.  👍🍻

 

 

 

 

[jelida]

The second coin reads ‘CIVI TAS LON DON’ not ‘ LONDONIENSIS’ and judging by its size is probably a halfpenny not a farthing. Have you bought a suitable scales yet?

Jerry

[Citizen H]

Hello Jerry,

I have the scales that show they weigh 1 gram each, 

I took additional photos using a more up to date technology.... both coins are in a truly worn out condition so I was surprised that anything could be discovered....

    

[Citizen H]

[Coinery]

Hey, H,

I personally think both the coins are pennies tbh! You have been majorly misled by the idea that one is a farthing, it’s ridiculous!

As for myself I feel really uncomfortable with you setting ‘expert’ against ‘expert’ to attain provenance/identity, etc.…it all sits very uncomfortably with me, personally, especially when you can’t even provide a basic weight, at nothing beyond the cost of around £15.

Speaking only for myself…I’m looking for your personal, and financially minimal commitment of weight in the future!

Edited December 28, 2025 by Coinery

[jelida]

4 hours ago, Citizen H said:

Hello Jerry,

I have the scales that show they weigh 1 gram 

Yes, both are pennies given the weights. For a complete coin, weight is usually a good starting point.  You really need to use the information and guidance available to you and become your own ‘expert’ rather than relying on others who clearly don’t care what they tell you.

Jerry

 

[Coinery]

PS sorry about the rant, H, I love your enthusiasm, you’ve woken the forum up a bit…but PLEASE buy some scales, they cost pennies and halve the effort required in identifying your coins.

 

[Coys55]

21 hours ago, Citizen H said:

Hello Jerry,

I have the scales that show they weigh 1 gram each, 

I took additional photos using a more up to date technology.... both coins are in a truly worn out condition so I was surprised that anything could be discovered....

   

H,

Obviously I don't know what type of scales you have but "1 gram each" sounds a bit rounded to me and could mean anything from 0.50 to 1.49g. . Do your scales not display 100ths of a gram? BTW, diameters are also important for aiding ID, preferably in tenths of a mm.

For reference my Edward pennies weigh between 1.24 and 1.43g each and have diameters of 17.8 to 20.4 mm. With Short cross pennies a cut half could weigh 0.53g (so 1 gram) and a full coin 1.43g (also 1 gram). 

You'd be surpised what we could come up with given as much infomation as possible, some of which cannot be gleaned from a photo.

Steve

[Coys55]

On 12/27/2025 at 4:19 PM, jelida said:

The second coin reads ‘CIVI TAS LON DON’ not ‘ LONDONIENSIS’ and judging by its size is probably a halfpenny not a farthing. Have you bought a suitable scales yet?

Jerry

Are you sure that the second isn't TAS/CIVI/LON/DON? That's a known class 9b pernny error reverse legend. The diameter would help of course

Edited December 29, 2025 by Coys55

[jelida]

3 hours ago, Coys55 said:

Are you sure that the second isn't TAS/CIVI/LON/DON? That's a known class 9b pernny error reverse legend. The diameter would help of course

No, it’s definitely CIVI TAS, the AS is very clear and there are four characters beginning with C in the CIVI quarter. Always worth looking out for spelling and positional errors though, I’ve got a Henry III penny of Hereford reading HENRICS , also a known variety.

Jerry

[Coys55]

4 hours ago, jelida said:

No, it’s definitely CIVI TAS, the AS is very clear and there are four characters beginning with C in the CIVI quarter. Always worth looking out for spelling and positional errors though, I’ve got a Henry III penny of Hereford reading HENRICS , also a known variety.

Jerry

Ah yes I see it now. 

[Citizen H]

revisiting this topic...... I am able to confirm they weigh 1.2 grms each,

rather than invest in a vernier measuring tool is there a better ruler that can recommended ???  

hopefully the additional phots may be of help towards finalising their identification....and ..are they Edward I  ?