Citizen H Posted June 6 Posted June 6 (edited) first up, this post I have been putting off for some time..... just wanted to be correct and as sure I could be right as possible, the Edwards?..... are just waiting for now......! 1. Elizabeth 1 1/2 pence 1578, Cross Greek, London..... 2. Elizabeth 1/2 penny 6th Issue,1582-1600, Woolpack I've read that the 1/2 penny's are faked... any comments / opinions would be greatly welcome, all the best "H" Edited June 6 by Citizen H Quote
Coinery Posted June 6 Posted June 6 (edited) You are spot on with the threefarthings…it is, however, a reverse die that’s believed to be 8 over 5, so an overdate. The halfpenny is 100% genuine and is, in my opinion, the best coin you’ve shared on this forum so far…I’d give you £100 right now for that coin (which means you could probably get £130 if you sat on it). Nice coin! Edited June 6 by Coinery Quote
blakeyboy Posted June 7 Posted June 7 9 hours ago, Coinery said: The halfpenny is 100% genuine and is, in my opinion, the best coin you’ve shared on this forum so far…I’d give you £100 right now for that coin (which means you could probably get £130 if you sat on it). Nice coin! Hmm...I can increase the value of my collection by 30% by sitting on it? For how long? Just while I'm watching the telly? Uncomfortable but profitable then.... 2 Quote
Coinery Posted June 7 Posted June 7 (edited) Just realised the original post says 1 1/2 pence (threehalfpence), so not spot-on after all! Edited June 7 by Coinery 1 Quote
Citizen H Posted June 7 Author Posted June 7 4 hours ago, Coinery said: Just realised the original post says 1 1/2 pence (threehalfpence), so not spot-on after all! ah, Stuart..... the coin 1½ Pence - Elizabeth I 3rd and 4th issue; and related information I got off Numista, the coin is approximately 15mm across although its buckled.... this is why I though its 1½ Pence....... just to clarify... what is the coin ? my head reads it is now a 3 half pence? I try to look this up but found nothing... Many many thanks for all the help, "H" Quote
Citizen H Posted June 7 Author Posted June 7 1½ Pence - Elizabeth I 3rd and 4th issue; small flan © John Conduitt (CC BY-SA) Features Issuer England (United Kingdom) Queen Elizabeth I (1558-1603) Type Standard circulation coins Years 1561-1578 Value 1½ Pence (1⁄160) Currency Pound sterling (1158-1970) Composition Silver (.925) Weight 0.64 g Diameter 15 mm Shape Round (irregular) Technique Hammered Orientation Variable alignment ↺ Demonetized Yes Number N# 238518 References Sp# 2569, North# 2000 Obverse Crowned bust of Queen Elizabeth I left, rose behind head, mint mark and legend around. Script: Latin Lettering: E · D · G · ROSA · SINE · SPINA [mm] Unabridged legend: Elizabeth Dei Gratia Rosa Sine Spina Translation: Elizabeth by the Grace of God a rose without a thorn Reverse Long cross fourchée over quartered shield of arms below divided date within inner circle, mint mark and legend around. Script: Latin Lettering: [mm] CIVITAS LONDON 1561 Translation: City of London Quote
Coinery Posted June 8 Posted June 8 (edited) 6 hours ago, Citizen H said: ah, Stuart..... the coin 1½ Pence - Elizabeth I 3rd and 4th issue; and related information I got off Numista, the coin is approximately 15mm across although its buckled.... this is why I though its 1½ Pence....... just to clarify... what is the coin ? my head reads it is now a 3 half pence? I try to look this up but found nothing... Many many thanks for all the help, "H" Apologies, an evening out with friends! The most important detail in this are the busts, the threehalfpence was only ever issued with one bust (3G the bust you shared off the numis site). Size isn’t always the best tool for identifying these tiny coins, as the flans can spread with some considerable variance, depending on how heavily they’re struck. You need to buy yourself a set of scales because, in the absence of knowing the bust types, they’ll quickly give the game away on grounds of weight alone. Edited June 8 by Coinery 1 Quote
Citizen H Posted June 8 Author Posted June 8 13 hours ago, Coinery said: Apologies, an evening out with friends! The most important detail in this are the busts, the threehalfpence was only ever issued with one bust (3G the bust you shared off the numis site). Size isn’t always the best tool for identifying these tiny coins, as the flans can spread with some considerable variance, depending on how heavily they’re struck. You need to buy yourself a set of scales because, in the absence of knowing the bust types, they’ll quickly give the game away on grounds of weight alone. Hello Stuart, so.........its... Elizabeth 1, threehalfpence, 1578, Cross Greek, London.....? I do suffer with fatigue and confusion some days unless its plainly spelt out sometimes.......I'm keen to work through all of the hammered I have so order is in place, many thanks. all help greatly appreciated. "H" Quote
Coinery Posted June 8 Posted June 8 No yours is a threefarthings, much smaller than a threehalfpence. If you look at the halfpenny and consider whether you could squeeze three of them into the coin pictured alongside it, that should help you understand the scale of things. 1 Quote
Citizen H Posted June 8 Author Posted June 8 Aha...........phew! this can now be put into the hammered coins file that are now identified..... My 1st Threefathings (3/4 of a Penny) The 1561-1565 Threefarthings - Elizabeth I Hammered Silver Threefarthing coin (three-quarters of a penny) of Queen Elizabeth I, minted about 1561-1565 (the coin is dated but digits are worn). Diameter 13mm and weighs 0.345g. Third or fourth issues. Minted at the Tower (London) mint. SCBC: 2571. North: 2002. Although an unual denomination, the Threefarthing coin is not too difficult to find and often well less than £200. Specimens are usually quite poor quality and can show signs of clipping. A milled version was minted in 1563, but only three are known and are very expensive. The design is very similar to the threehalfpence coin, which is just 2mm larger in diameter. The Obverse shows a portrait of Queen Elizabeth I facing left, wearing a ruff and embroidered dress. Rose behind to right. Mint mark is a pheon (a downward pointing arrow). Legend is "E D G ROSA SINE SPINA". meaning Elizabeth by the grace of God, a rose without a thorn. Edge is plain. The Reverse shows a quartered coat-of-arms with a cross fourchee on top; beaded inner circle aith legend "CIVITAS LONDON" and the pheon mint mark. .........Well that was a easy learning curve!!!!!!! 😕 and truly Many Many thanks for all the time involved sorting out the mystery's. "H" Quote
Citizen H Posted June 8 Author Posted June 8 I do still have this Edward III 1/2 Penny 1344, 3rd coinage London ???? to be confirmed........... Quote
Coinery Posted June 8 Posted June 8 (edited) 4 hours ago, Citizen H said: Aha...........phew! this can now be put into the hammered coins file that are now identified..... My 1st Threefathings (3/4 of a Penny) The 1561-1565 Threefarthings - Elizabeth I Hammered Silver Threefarthing coin (three-quarters of a penny) of Queen Elizabeth I, minted about 1561-1565 (the coin is dated but digits are worn). Diameter 13mm and weighs 0.345g. Third or fourth issues. Minted at the Tower (London) mint. SCBC: 2571. North: 2002. Although an unual denomination, the Threefarthing coin is not too difficult to find and often well less than £200. Specimens are usually quite poor quality and can show signs of clipping. A milled version was minted in 1563, but only three are known and are very expensive. The design is very similar to the threehalfpence coin, which is just 2mm larger in diameter. The Obverse shows a portrait of Queen Elizabeth I facing left, wearing a ruff and embroidered dress. Rose behind to right. Mint mark is a pheon (a downward pointing arrow). Legend is "E D G ROSA SINE SPINA". meaning Elizabeth by the grace of God, a rose without a thorn. Edge is plain. The Reverse shows a quartered coat-of-arms with a cross fourchee on top; beaded inner circle aith legend "CIVITAS LONDON" and the pheon mint mark. .........Well that was a easy learning curve!!!!!!! 😕 and truly Many Many thanks for all the time involved sorting out the mystery's. "H" It’s dated 1578 over 1575 as mentioned earlier in the post. Edited June 8 by Coinery 1 Quote
Citizen H Posted June 9 Author Posted June 9 12 hours ago, Coinery said: You have 2 threefarthings Really! Oh my days!! this is really useful errrrmmmm so the questions to fill in the gaps. Edward III ? 1344 Threefarthings....London, I cant thank you enough for all your input, once a page is full I will up load a photo, all the very best "H" Quote
Coinery Posted June 9 Posted June 9 No, I’m talking about this link as being your SECOND Elizabeth threefarthings! You were saying you only had ONE, I was merely pointing out that you have TWO! 1 Quote
Rob Posted June 9 Posted June 9 H. I suggest you pick up an old copy of Coins of England. This would give you a good heads up on what you have, as many types/varieties are illustrated in life size pictures, and would also allow you to do some preliminary investigations. It doesn't have to be the latest, as the only prices that have gone through the roof are the top end coins or anything in high grade for the type. The type itself is mostly what you need to know. A worn coin will always be that, and price wise typically not something for an investor mentality. There are few exceptions to this broad rule. 1 1 Quote
Citizen H Posted June 9 Author Posted June 9 7 hours ago, Rob said: H. I suggest you pick up an old copy of Coins of England. This would give you a good heads up on what you have, as many types/varieties are illustrated in life size pictures, and would also allow you to do some preliminary investigations. It doesn't have to be the latest, as the only prices that have gone through the roof are the top end coins or anything in high grade for the type. The type itself is mostly what you need to know. A worn coin will always be that, and price wise typically not something for an investor mentality. There are few exceptions to this broad rule. Many thanks Rob, on order from E-bay 👍 Cheers "H" Quote
Coinery Posted June 9 Posted June 9 Don’t forget your scales, they’re a cheap and very worthy item too! You could always check out Rob’s website to see if he has any on there, he sells most things? 👍 https://rpcoins.co.uk/ 1 Quote
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