Sylvester Posted March 10 Posted March 10 (edited) I'm looking for BU/UNC 1992 small ten pence coins of Type 4 and Type 5. Type 4 has L,I pointing between dots on obv and 1 in 10 pointing between dots on rev. Type 5 has L,I pointing at dots on obv and 1 in 10 pointing at a dot on rev. I only have VF specimens, I would love some UNC specimens. Edited March 10 by Sylvester
secret santa Posted March 11 Posted March 11 How many types are there ? I have 4 1992 10p's, all with the I pointing to a gap and the 1 pointing to a bead.
Sylvester Posted March 11 Author Posted March 11 (edited) There are five types. About 1.5 billion coins struck so most types are excessively common. Type - Edge - Obv. L/I point... / Rev. 1 points... Type 1 - Wire edge - Between / At Type 2 - Flat edge - Between / At Type 3 - Flat edge - At / Between Type 4 - Flat edge - Between / Between Type 5 - Flat edge - At / At Type 1 = 40% of the mintage (All released to circulation). Type 2 = 40% of the mintage (Almost all released to circulation - some issue in 'Farewell to the Florin' first day covers). Type 3 = approx. 20% of the mintage (Released to circulation and also included in all mint/proof sets). Type 4 = < 1% of the mintage (All released to circulation). Type 5 = much less than 1% of the mintage (All released to circulation). The first 3 types are excessively common, ubiquitous you could say. But also, as they were the first types out when the 10p was shrunk, a fair few were put on side by people who kept the new coins. Type 1 and 2 can be got in UNC with some effort to find, they're not too common in mint state. Type 3 is readily available in BU, nothing rare there. Type 4 and 5, as pictured in my first post, can be found in change with a lot of searching. They are out there, but the highest graded Type 4s (Between/Between) I've found were VF grade and the highest Type 5s (At/At) were EF. I don't think they exist in UNC any more. Edited March 11 by Sylvester 2
secret santa Posted March 12 Posted March 12 Interesting - are these varieties formally documented anywhere ?
Peckris 2 Posted March 12 Posted March 12 I remember that @scott had a strong interest in these varieties at one time.
secret santa Posted March 12 Posted March 12 I can feel a new website coming on - maybe next winter. 1
Sylvester Posted March 13 Author Posted March 13 22 hours ago, secret santa said: Interesting - are these varieties formally documented anywhere ? In a word no, that I know of. Informally, yes. Tony Clayton listed them some time back, at least for the 1992 issues and then indicated two reverse types for the 2005 and 2006, but left their rarities unknown. I thus became aware of them in around 2008. I then went on a more thorough investigation of the 1993-2008 series and discovered that the two reverse types were issued most of those years. I presented my findings back to Tony Clayton and they've been on his website ever since. That said, I've never liked his designation of Obv.1 and Obv.2. I always thought Obv. B and Obv. A would be better as the letter would state the type clearly without having to look it up! So rather than Obv. 1 / Rev. B it would be much clearer to state Obv. B / Rev. B, i.e. Between/Between - a Type 4. I don't know where Tony got his mintage estimates from though. I have contacted Chris to ask if these types are of interest or already known about, however, I know he's not around much these days, so I'm still awaiting a response. I also handed my findings to Numista as well, but they haven't updated their website yet. From what I have found, the 2006 Type A (AT reverse - a circulation only type) seems to actually be rare. I've known about it since 2007, and have only found two in change. I bought another from eBay last week, an actual UNC. I never thought I'd find one of those. Other that that Tony Clayton has only found 1, and someone on Numista spent a year searching before finding theirs. Bear in mind these a coin types that are 'sleepers' and under the radar, there's probably less than a dozen people in the country actually looking for them. If only a dozen people cared about the Kew Gardens 50p, how many would you see regularly?
secret santa Posted March 13 Posted March 13 28 minutes ago, Sylvester said: I presented my findings back to Tony Clayton and they've been on his website ever since. Could you provide the link please.
Sylvester Posted March 13 Author Posted March 13 Link to Tony Clayton's site (Die Varieties listed near the bottom) https://www.coins-of-the-uk.co.uk/dec10.html The most up to date info: 1992 Type - Edge type: Obv L,I points…/Rev. 1 in 10 points… Type 1 - Wire edge: Between/At (Extremely Common) Type 2 - Flat edge: Between/At (Extremely Common) Type 3 - Flat edge: At/Between (Very Common & this is the type in the Proof & BU mint sets) Type 4 - Flat edge: Between/Between (Scarce) Type 5 - Flat edge: At/At (Scarcer) 1993-2008 These coins come with two reverse types; At or Between (as above). The type in the Proof/BU mint sets are always Between types. The circulation issues started out as always At types, but this changes from 2005 - more on that later. As the 'At' types were always a full release into circulation there are plenty of them comparative to the Between types, BUT they will all be circulated, usually very heavily. Uncirculated ‘At’ types are pretty scarce to outright rare. The general issue is: 1993 Type B (BU mint sets only) 1994 Type B (BU mint sets only) 1995 Type A (Circulation only) 1995 Type B (BU mint sets only) 1996 Type A (Circulation only) 1996 Type B (BU mint sets only) 1997 Type A (Circulation only) 1997 Type B (BU mint sets only) 1998 Type B (BU mint sets only) 1999 Type B (BU mint sets only) 2000 Type A (Circulation only) 2000 Type B (BU mint sets only) 2001 Type A (Circulation only) 2001 Type B (BU mint sets only) 2002 Type A (Circulation only) 2002 Type B (BU mint sets only) 2003 Type A (Circulation only) 2003 Type B (BU mint sets only) 2004 Type A (Circulation only) 2004 Type B (BU mint sets only) Then in 2005 there begins a change. The Between type becomes a circulation coin as well as the mint set/Proof type. Eventually, it replaces the At type completely. So for 2005 and 2006 we have: 2005 Type A (Circulation only) 2005 Type B (Circulation & BU mint sets) 2006 Type A (Circulation only) - Rare 2006 Type B (Circulation & BU mint sets) The 2005 types are pretty similar, either reverse can turn up in change, approx 50/50 chance. The 2006 issue though is very different. The Between type is the vast majority. The At type is near impossible to find. From 2007 it then settles into this pattern: 2007 Type B (Circulation & BU mint sets) 2008 Type B (Circulation & BU mint sets) I am not aware of any At types for these two dates, if they do exist, they haven't been discovered yet! 2
richtips86 Posted March 24 Posted March 24 On 3/10/2025 at 6:50 PM, Sylvester said: I'm looking for BU/UNC 1992 small ten pence coins of Type 4 and Type 5. Type 4 has L,I pointing between dots on obv and 1 in 10 pointing between dots on rev. Type 5 has L,I pointing at dots on obv and 1 in 10 pointing at a dot on rev. I only have VF specimens, I would love some UNC specimens. Have you tried Michael Gouby? He has some decent coins, although not at UNC. I got a Type 5 a few years back from him at EF+ which was probably as stated http://www.michael-coins.co.uk/GB10pence.htm
Sylvester Posted March 25 Author Posted March 25 Yep. I've bought a few from him, but he didn't have any Type 4s and the Type 5 was only EF, one of which I already have. No UNC for these types though.
Sylvester Posted 20 hours ago Author Posted 20 hours ago Bump. @Chris Perkins if you can source any. Has anyone got a Type 4 (between/between), Type 5 (at/at) 1992 ten pence in UNC? Willing to pay £30 for each. I need these for my full run in uncirculated. I'm still looking for a 2006 Type A (at dot on reverse) 10p. Willing to pay £30 for this in UNC condition. Mine is only AU.
Chris Perkins Posted 18 hours ago Posted 18 hours ago Hello Sylvester. Sorry if I didn't reply to your pm back in March. Doesn't look like I did. I'm afraid I don't have any 10p's later than some nice 1970s examples. I'll keep you in mind though if I ever come those.
Sylvester Posted 18 hours ago Author Posted 18 hours ago Please do! I would be very grateful if you find any. After all you secured me all the BU ten pences from 1992 to 2003, all those years ago!
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