Date unknown, Silver Hammered coin

[Citizen H]

Hello all,,,,,,

again another that I have no idea about other than it looks Hammered, could it be finally a Groat in the collection ? I have others one is the same size... I cant make out a face on this coin after the Half penny has been explained it is now obvious when looking at it the right way up, 

once again Many thanks for all of your help. Rgds "H"

  

[Coinery]

Henry III short cross coinage class 7

moneyer is Ioan Chic of Canterbury 

Take a look at the below website (look under coins & jetons), you can learn a lot from trying to narrow down an ID for yourself, it’s worth the effort  

https://www.rodblunt.com/

 

[Coinery]

The correct orientation of the obverse is as shown, with the arrow passing more or less through the centre of the bust (the coin is struck off-centre) - the triangular set of pellets represent the crown.

 

Edited January 8 by Coinery

[Martinminerva]

4 hours ago, Citizen H said:

could it be finally a Groat in the collection

 

No - a short cross penny of Henry III as Coinery states above. Groats are much larger!

Edited January 8 by Martinminerva

[Citizen H]

2 hours ago, Coinery said:

Henry III short cross coinage class 7

moneyer is Ioan Chic of Canterbury 

Take a look at the below website (look under coins & jetons), you can learn a lot from trying to narrow down an ID for yourself, it’s worth the effort  

https://www.rodblunt.com/

 

Many thanks Stuart,   is there a way to date or is it a general date that the coin  Henry III was around 1 October 1207 – 16 November 1274

 

The short cross coinage came to an end in 1247. No recoinage had been undertaken since the renovation of 1205, some forty-two years earlier, and the circulating currency had progressively deteriorated to the point where it was in a completely unacceptable condition. Not only were the coins generally very worn, but more significantly many were also clipped. The authorities recognised that the only solution was a complete recoinage, and this was duly ordered. In an attempt to address the problem of clipping, it was decided that the design would be changed such that the reverse cross extended to the edge of the coin. The resulting issue, known today as the long cross coinage, is the subject of a separate article.

 many thanks once again. "H"

Edited January 8 by Citizen H

[Coinery]

1 hour ago, Citizen H said:

…is there a way to date or is it a general date that the coin  Henry III was around 1 October 1207 – 16 November 1274

You can narrow down the period 1217/18 - 1242 of class 7 even further by looking at the sub-classes. There’s a lot of information on the link I shared, especially for class 7 (more at the bottom of the classification page if you scroll down).

As a head start, yours has the squared-top A, ruling out class 7a, which leaves you with classes 7b and 7c to look at - enjoy!

 

[Citizen H]

49 minutes ago, Coinery said:

You can narrow down the period 1217/18 - 1242 of class 7 even further by looking at the sub-classes. There’s a lot of information on the link I shared, especially for class 7 (more at the bottom of the classification page if you scroll down).

As a head start, yours has the squared-top A, ruling out class 7a, which leaves you with classes 7b and 7c to look at - enjoy!

 

Stuart your a gent, this has help no end to untie a mystery and now I will now try to identify a coin before showing more. allowing for the rubbed coin I think it looks like 1232-34 date, and wow I'm guessing its the eldest so far that I have in my collection so far , once again many thanks "H" 

[scottishmoney]

Groats were a very late 13th and mostly mid 14th century thing.  They were released in small numbers during the reign of Edward I, but were minted in much larger numbers during the reign of Edward III

[Citizen H]

14 minutes ago, scottishmoney said:

Groats were a very late 13th and mostly mid 14th century thing.  They were released in small numbers during the reign of Edward I, but were minted in much larger numbers during the reign of Edward III

Many thanks, these last 2 days has been of a great help and direction, wrongly I thought the groats were older one Henry III penny is dated 1232-34, so made up that this is so old, once again many thanks one and all with this new information, I really couldnt have done this by myself, Rgds "H"   

[Sylvester]

Groats normally have two circles of writing on the reverse, an inner circle with the mint info, e.g. CIVITAS LONDON (City of London) and an outer circle that states: POSVI DEVM ADIVTOREM MEVM  (I have made God my helper). Then the cross and trefoils in each quarter.