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On 10/20/2022 at 5:09 PM, DrLarry said:

slight differences in REV G

Whilst listing the last two broken H's I noticed differences in some aspects of the two.  On one the trident touches the mantle on one the trident is cut clear of the mantle , the modelling of the Trident head is slightly different and the hanging feathers of the helmet differ .

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I can find no evidence of the feathers being different and it would appear that is just wrong.  There does seem to be some evidence of a difference in the gap between the trident and the peplos /Mantle I have looked to see if this is an issue of quality of sample and yes it might be that the fold in fabric might be higher and so more likely to be damaged repeatedly closing the cut I shall just have to keep looking and measuring the quality.  Not that it really matters it just must be a very sharp line in the die to cut such an exact line.  I am sure in time such a thin line would eventually cut across with use.  So the "closing " of the gap may simply be the result of a well used die and the sharper gap a fresher die? 

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On 10/20/2022 at 5:09 PM, DrLarry said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

some of these errors might be of interest:  REV G OBV 6 seems to have been struck with blocked 86 in the date there appear to be be no signs of obvious damage to the areas around the date 

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REV G OBV 7 the 1 appears weak or filled ,  there are some abrasion marks on this one i've added it just in case another is out there 

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REV G OBV 7 B over B and R over R on same obverse 

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R of BRITT over R    OBV 7   also has an E over an E rotation and a V over V 

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REV G OBV 7 raised dot after T in VICTORIA ....I am normally a little sceptical about raised dots as they seem to be percussion ridges or bumps of displaced metal ut I had a close look around and cannot find enough to suggests this ....let me know if you disagree PLEASE 

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rev G OBV 6 R of REG of R missing middle E and G over G :  there seems to be a lot of movement in the strike which has resulted in some doubling on the OBV 

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REV G OBVERSE 6  E over E in REG 

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REF G OBV 6 G over G 

 

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REV G OBV 7 B over R   Looking at Richard's list of half penny varieties this is listed under OBV 5 but this one seems to be definitely  an OBV 7 I have not seen an OBV 5 type so I assume the error must have happened twice 

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whilst searching around I have found a number of die crack runs that give the appearance of errors whether they follow attempts to repair dies, I am not sure but they create some interesting flaws that if worn might give rise to the incorrect explanations 

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HALP  F over P  REV g OBV ?  I think I may have another which may arrive soon so would part with one 

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REV G  e of REG broken upper arm , this seems to be quite a common error , it does appear in general that there are many more errors associated with OBVERSE 6  second is a 4 G 

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the  OBVerse 6's there appears to be a few showing an unbarred A   looking like a V upturned  one example shows the damage to the die eventually must have led to if being left with so many breaks and blockages it must have been discarded ....I will add this later 

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On 10/20/2022 at 5:09 PM, DrLarry said:

 

REV G OBVERSE 7  T over T in BRITT associated with the small A in HALF and the last 1 over a 1 below 

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rev G OBV 7 F over P in F:D  this specimen is not the best in the world and has had some damage to the obverse around the BRITT  yet I think the F is over a P but it looks  to be at an end stage as the die seems to break presumably because of weakening with the over punch.  It would be interesting to see any others , it seems to be similar to and F over P I have from  1862 and a flaw often found on the 1890 half penny where the negative space gets filled .  I initially thought this to be an OBV 5 in error thinking that the indent on the forehead to suggest 5 but I see it is too high.  As I have said many of my examples are low grades and I can just make out the extra leaf.   

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18 hours ago, DrLarry said:

rev G OBV 7 F over P in F:D  this specimen is not the best in the world and has had some damage to the obverse around the BRITT  yet I think the F is over a P but it looks  to be at an end stage as the die seems to break presumably because of weakening with the over punch.  It would be interesting to see any others , it seems to be similar to and F over P I have from  1862 and a flaw often found on the 1890 half penny where the negative space gets filled .  I initially thought this to be an OBV 5 in error thinking that the indent on the forehead to suggest 5 but I see it is too high.  As I have said many of my examples are low grades and I can just make out the extra leaf.   

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sorry I have uploaded the wrong image of the obverse above 

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the correct obverse 

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Agaion on a OBV 6  REV G  this is one of those with a 1 over 1 above the 1 , on the reverse the H and the A are blocked  the F is doubled (below) the P has a wide gap (open ) and all that remains of the E is an L and the Y below is also damaged on the obverse many of the letters are blocked.  I do wonder if the use of OBV 6 seems almost an act of desperation in the drive to just keep minting the  die pairing.  Again I select the broken ones so show bias but it does seem to make up a disproportionately large number of the total REV G's showing damage 

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this is a fascinating obverse 7 again seemingly on its last legs.  all the last letters of VICTORIA  including an unbarred A and interesting blocked letters after REG .  For all of thee there must be in someone's collection other examples .  Lots of broken ( missing ) blocked colons .  On the reverse the H is unbarred  whihc I have shown in another listing and the serifs on many letters are broken.  It is part of a group that have "short legs" on the N's in PENNY often and I appears to have been overstruck to repair the damage 

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OBVERSE 6 REV G this  I assume is the result of a loose strike but educate me if I am wrong please.  The whole of VICTORIA has doubled  and a raised area to the right of the B in BRITT makes it look like a B over and R,  the rest of the obverse seems to have struck normally.  Doubling on some letters has occurred to the left and the right .  The only issue with the REVERSE G is the blocked A with a die break 

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again OBV 6 reverse G I have a couple which show this die crack through RIA on the OBVERSE again hee as a caution to the appearance of errors interpreting overstamps.... 

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On 9/17/2022 at 11:28 PM, Bronze & Copper Collector said:

1956 4 & c reverse

 

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Just to add to how rare these are although you know F474 4+C.

I have just been talking to Dave Craddock and over 40 years has looked at thousands and never found one ,in his opinion they are much rarer than R12 👍

If he tells me something is extremely rare it will be , as MOST types of BRONZE coins he will of had a few of and probably handled and looked at more than anyone else.

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On 10/26/2022 at 11:00 AM, DrLarry said:

REV G OBV 7 raised dot after T in VICTORIA ....I am normally a little sceptical about raised dots as they seem to be percussion ridges or bumps of displaced metal ut I had a close look around and cannot find enough to suggests this ....let me know if you disagree PLEASE 

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Not the exact same place ,but i bought this penny the other week and in between the same letters ,maybe something to do with a setting out mark as a bit coincidental that the dot could be anywhere else on the coin.

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33 minutes ago, PWA 1967 said:

Not the exact same place ,but i bought this penny the other week and in between the same letters ,maybe something to do with a setting out mark as a bit coincidental that the dot could be anywhere else on the coin.

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you know what I am like with strange  marks  LOL ....I'm forever finding little crosses that I thought were marking out marks.  but yeah does seem strange .  The raised dot errors seem to be becoming more popular .  Thanks for that 

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