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[Colin G.]

It is a medieval jeton with the "shield of France" design, they were used for counting/tallying. They have an AVE MARIA GRACIE legend, but these were reproduced in number by many sources so you often find some quite bizarre legends, yours does appear to resemble this legend.

[Stephen ward]

Wow the history in a small coin I will enjoy looking it up now I know what to search for thanks.

i will dig in another box see what I can pull out so I will be asking favours again I'm sure thanks again very much great job 

Steve 

[Rob]

I had one once that was brass plated copper

[Stephen ward]

Thanks Rob I do have a friend that has a niton gun so he can zap it that will tell me what metal the coin is made from up to yet most of the coins seem to be named and dated so I can stick each one in search to find out the history of it but I have a large amount of foreign coins and I came across two that look like Chinese with square holes in the middle they do look very old they may be a challenge.

thanks Steve 

[mrbadexample]

1 hour ago, Stephen ward said:

...I came across two that look like Chinese with square holes in the middle they do look very old they may be a challenge.

This should help.

[Stephen ward]

Yes it did help thanks 

I think one is Shan lung series the other emperor jent sung AD 1796 - 1820 iv also found a coin that's worn smooth it has an outer ring the inner circle is like a square crest with a crown on the top the other side has a outer circle with markings I can make out the 57 on the date but that's all ? It's around the size of a old one penny 

thanks Steve 

[Stephen ward]

Hello again I have been doing some work at a neighbors home and she asked me if I would like a small bag of coins has we got on the topic of hobbies now in the bag are a few coins I need help with I can send pics via emails if any one would like to see them.

two coins are islands sommer ? Two others are 1812 5 francs and a 1833 5 francs two others are Greek coin 2000 bc and 

alexander 1500 bc and another is gold in colour not round more heart shape looks like a cross on one side and a grid on the other with wave lines on the bottom and what looks like in the bottom grid 768 ? 

Also others are a 1866 Hong Kong dollar a1760 Mexican Spanish coin and a few other more recent coins 

thanks Steve 

[Nordle11]

Pics in question:

 

[Stephen ward]

Thanks Matt for sticking the pics on for me has you can see the coins out the small bag well some anyway the last pic with the hog and the boat I have two of them pretty much the same condition the top one is a soft metal don't feel like brass may be I should take pics next to a tape measure next time to show the size.

if any one has any idea about the coins please feel free to comment 

thanks steve 

[Nordle11]

You're welcome Steve, here's the last lot you sent me. If it's so many though, it would probably be beneficial to do some reading up on each coin, you'll learn a great deal just researching them individually.

Sorry I can't help with the identification, someone will have a better idea anyway  

[Stephen ward]

Great stuff thanks Matt I will get a book on world coins 

thanks again Steve 

[Leo]

On 12/12/2016 at 9:30 AM, Nordle11 said:

Without being a specialist on the subject, that looks like a Carlos III 1760 piece of 8, Potosí mint. The weight would help

[Stephen ward]

Hi thanks for the info the coin weight is 14g 1/2oz well that's with my scales if that helps any 

thanks Steve 

[Leo]

1 hour ago, Stephen ward said:

Hi thanks for the info the coin weight is 14g 1/2oz well that's with my scales if that helps any 

thanks Steve 

Hi Steve,

An 8 real should be twice that weight. Either your scale is wrong, or I haven't got it right (very possible as I don't collect cobs), or you have a fake... which is very likely as these coins are very popular in the international market.

[Leo]

It could also be that your coin has been trimmed to death, it was common practice. Compare size below

[Stephen ward]

Probably a fake but no problem  nice to add to the collection my scales will not be accurate has I only have normal kitchen ones haha I will get it checked out at local jewellery shop to find weight and the metal grade let you know 

thanks Steve 

[azda]

4 hours ago, Leo said:

Without being a specialist on the subject, that looks like a Carlos III 1760 piece of 8, Potosí mint. The weight would help

That would be the strangest piece of 8 i've ever seen, 1760 would be a pillar dollar which look like the attached. The OP coin is a much earlier Spanish coin called a cob i believe

[azda]

The OP coin looks more like this

 

http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=2524491&AucID=2445&Lot=1971&Val=22f42422c5ef95820b868ae83738a4e1

[azda]

On 12/12/2016 at 4:14 PM, Nordle11 said:

You're welcome Steve, here's the last lot you sent me. If it's so many though, it would probably be beneficial to do some reading up on each coin, you'll learn a great deal just researching them individually.

Sorry I can't help with the identification, someone will have a better idea anyway  

Quite the Spanish theme going on, but the middle row middle and right is a 4 or 8 reales, can't quite make out the denomination, but it seems quite soapy to me which is an indicator of being fake, , by soapy i mean not very well struck, terminology for fakes, see the picture i uploaded of an 8 reales of 1760 and check against what you have, it just doesn't seems sharp

[Leo]

Quote

That would be the strangest piece of 8 i've ever seen, 1760 would be a pillar dollar which look like the attached. The OP coin is a much earlier Spanish coin called a cob i believe

It did seem late to me, but I had to check and cobs were still being minted in Potosí until 1773. The Mexico mint received modern milling machinery earlier, so they were able to produce the classic pillar dollar that you have uploaded.

The number 8 in the second quadrant indicates its denomination (in pillar 8Rs it goes right hand side of the shield)

[azda]

10 hours ago, Leo said:

Hi Steve,

An 8 real should be twice that weight. Either your scale is wrong, or I haven't got it right (very possible as I don't collect cobs), or you have a fake... which is very likely as these coins are very popular in the international market.

The weights also seem to fluctuate, check here the description, this cob is only 17g

 

http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=2409403&AucID=2312&Lot=601&Val=243138597942b7ccb983528ad9a5cdbe

[Stephen ward]

8 hours ago, azda said:

Quite the Spanish theme going on, but the middle row middle and right is a 4 or 8 reales, can't quite make out the denomination, but it seems quite soapy to me which is an indicator of being fake, , by soapy i mean not very well struck, terminology for fakes, see the picture i uploaded of an 8 reales of 1760 and check against what you have, it just doesn't seems sharp

Yes I see what you are saying but then again I can stick a coin against another  coin of the same year and one will be more worn than the other just makes you see that one coin had a harder life passing hands more than the other ? But I do see the difference in the two coins one for the box I'm sure. 

Thanks steve 

[azda]

3 minutes ago, Stephen ward said:

Yes I see what you are saying but then again I can stick a coin against another  coin of the same year and one will be more worn than the other just makes you see that one coin had a harder life passing hands more than the other ? But I do see the difference in the two coins one for the box I'm sure. 

Thanks steve 

Soapy will be of a smooth appearance, this doesn't come with wear, it's difficult to give an exact detail, but maybe you can take a picture of the Real i'm speaking about and upload it separately 

[Colin G.]

The Hong Kong dollar dates 1866 but shows Edward VII, so if they are matching sides of a coin it shouts fake, and gives that same fake appearance that Dave describes.

[Stephen ward]

Thanks Colin just read up on the Hong Kong dollar seems that it was sold to tourists that didn't know what it was but still a nice peace to have stick it in the box it's a good job I never had to pay for the coins I should think they are all fake no worries the box is getting heavier by the day :-)