Rob Posted November 12, 2016 Posted November 12, 2016 G over sideways G on an 1848 groat obverse die. A quick perusal of past auctions came up with one other example of this obverse - DNW 107, lot 849, but that was paired with an 1848/6 die according to the description. So two new varieties unless anyone knows otherwise? Nick, Vicky? Quote
Martinminerva Posted November 12, 2016 Posted November 12, 2016 Gets a mention in the Coincraft catalogue, but doesn't distinguish reverse dies. I myself have a couple of these, and have seen three more, and all were paired with the 1848 plain, SMALL date. Haven't seen one paired with the large date and/or the overdate reverses. Does DNW not have a picture of the reverse die for their specimen? Quote
Rob Posted November 12, 2016 Author Posted November 12, 2016 Looks like a straight 1848 to me. https://www.dnw.co.uk/auction-archive/lot-archive/lot.php?department=Coins&lot_id=227791 Quote
Martinminerva Posted November 12, 2016 Posted November 12, 2016 Have now found the one on the DNW archive, and post pics below. This too is actually the small date reverse. It is not the overdate, but there is a trace of doubling at the top of the 8. Checking out my own examples, they are all of the same reverse die, with the trace of doubling, so not a new variety but one that I have only seen recorded in Coincraft, and only a handful at that. Perhaps now it should be recorded more mainstream?? Quote
Rob Posted November 12, 2016 Author Posted November 12, 2016 If it was a penny it would have been well known decades ago. Victorian groats don't float many boats. Quote
Rob Posted November 12, 2016 Author Posted November 12, 2016 Perhaps this thread should be deleted given the evidence? Quote
Martinminerva Posted November 12, 2016 Posted November 12, 2016 14 minutes ago, Rob said: Perhaps this thread should be deleted given the evidence? I disagree! Given it is only recorded thus far in the Coincraft catalogue (and I don't think that has been printed for over a decade now!!), leaving it on here is a better way of recording it until it gets taken on board by eg. Spink, ESC, Collectors Coins of GB or wherever! Good to spread knowledge! 1 Quote
VickySilver Posted November 13, 2016 Posted November 13, 2016 OK, haven't looked at mine recently (or even thought about it!). Will have a look this evening... Quote
VickySilver Posted November 20, 2016 Posted November 20, 2016 I have looked at all my 1848 groats (2 x regular date), a 48/6, a 48/7 and none have this "G over sideways G". Quote
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