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    1946 & 1949 Brass Threepence

    in Beginners area

    Posted · Edited by The Coinery
    I mixed up the photo order.

    Hi Mick

    As far as I know there are 2 types of 1946 and 3 types of 1949. No doubt there are more. Here are some pics of mine to give you an idea of what to look for. I could not get the pic of the 1949.03 due to size. Will add after

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    Double Florins

    in British Coin Related Discussions & Enquiries

    Posted

    Does anyone have interest or information upon the Double Florin denomination ?

    From my research I can find 13 Double Florins and if you have information or examples for sale please PM me.

    1887 - Roman 1 - UNC.

    1887 - Roman 1 Proof - Still to find one.

    1887 - Arabic 1 - UNC+

    1887 - Arabic 1 Proof - Still to find one.

    1887 - Arabic 1 - Dies 1+B - Still to find one.

    1887 - Arabic 1 - J in JEB has no left serif and letters in JEB double struck - Still to find one.

    1887 - Roman 1 - Broken J in JEB - Still to find one.

    1888 - Standard DF

    1888 - 2nd I in VIC inverted 1

    1889 - Standard DF

    1889 - 2nd I in VIC inverted 1

    1889 - Davies Dies 2+B

    1890 - Standard DF

    Regards

    Guy

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    CGS "membership" Fee

    in TPG Discussions

    Posted · Edited by The Coinery

    On 1 September 2016 at 1:33 PM, SWANNY said:

    Does anyone know the names of any of the coin graders at CGS - LCGS  (looks like they have not changed)

    As management at LCGS refuse to reply to any emails, I thought I would try to talk to a grader 

     

    CGS v LCGS

    in TPG Discussions

    Posted

    When I first joined this site I met Peter PWA1967 and he told me I should speak my mind on the forum but carefully / thoughtfully does it.

    I am probably going to be locked in the virtual "Stocks" for what I am about to write and have Cabbages thrown at me but here goes . . . . .

    Being a Yorkshire Man you will know I am careful with my money. Like you I do not like to pay for some thing especially when you are used to receiving it for free.

    The old CGS site is now closed, gone and the new site is accessed via the London Coins site and they are still in process of making live some of the smaller, less used facilities.

    Yes £99 is a lot of money and I thought long and hard about it before sending my £ 99 to them but this is for a year and breaking that down to £ 8.25p per month it is not an extravagant amount of money when you consider a coffee and a bun from Costa costs over a tenner.

    I am passionate about my pennies and as I am a variation collection collector the information held on the new site is very useful to me and whilst the site was off I must admit I missed the ability to access the information held within the site.

    Apart from this variation information on the site, being able to view my coin collection in the various lists like denominations or monarchs is pleasing and helps me plan what my next purchase will be. There is always another coin. My Wife calls me a "Coin Addict". Lets not get onto Wives and coins.

    One other important point is that as new coins and new variations are discovered they are quick to put these on the site.

    I like my coins in their "coffins" or slabs for several reasons: Have you ever dropped a coin and been rewarded with an edge knock or worse ?. I have dropped several slabs on the floor with no damage whatsoever. I also appreciate the fact that in the past I have purchased coins which were labelled "UNC" only to find out later that they were A/UNC or lower. At least with the slabbing you have the grade what it says and should this ever be wrong you have their guarantee of a full market refund.

    A cautionary tale is that whilst a slab does float its floatation buoyancy is dependant upon the coin within. I can tell you that half sovereigns DO float in their slabs where as a full sovereign DOES NOT float. I know this as several of my slabs went into the river Ouse from my boat and the floaters we all half sovereigns. For the REAL coin seekers there are several sovereigns in the River Ouse outside the Kings Arms in York !!!

    Grading fees are always a topic of conversation. I would like mine done for free but it does cost money for wages, admin and also the slabs, labels and actual grading time. I have previously spoken to two of their graders and they told me its not just have a peek and guess / assess the grade. The year and denomination / monarch is a no brainer - we can all do that. Firstly they have to decide exactly which variation of the denomination for that year it is and also if it is a NEW variation. This can take some time bearing in mind the pressure they are under and the *ollocking they would get if they miss some thing. Then they have to assess the actual grade. They have a benchmark set which I have seen myself and this does help them decide on the grade.

    Then the coin goes to the second grader who basically does the same job again and the second grader gives their grade. Now they have two numbered grades, probably, hopefully both the same number. The coin and both graders numbers then go to the final grader who makes the final call upon the grade - A consensus of opinion is made is there is a difference of numbered grades.

    Now the coin has to be fitted in the slab, label attached and the UIN info uploaded - All for £ 15.75p. I believe this £ 15.75p covers all coins valued up to £800. I believe the maximum grading charge is £90 at a rate of 2% so that's up to a coin costing £ 4500. If you can afford a coin for £ 4500 then you can whinge about £ 90 . . . .

    Also its a business not a Non Profit organisation. How many of us would want to or could afford to work for free ?

    Coins that are not British cost a flat fee of £ 15.75p so If you collect other than British coins you will not pay more than £ 15.75p - that is my understanding.

    I believe in slabbing. Slabbing is HUGE in America and what happens over there usually happens in England.

    To sum up and this is the bottom line:  

    We are coin collectors so we buy / trade coins.

    Do you want to be able to see ALL your coins in list format with photos ?

    Do you want to buy a coin that is exactly the grade / variation you want it to be and if not have the confidence that if it is not you are covered by their guarantee ?

    Do you want in depth information about the coins you have, their values and also their variations ?

    Do you want to damage your coins when you drop them and you will drop coins ?

    Finally and very important buying a slabbed coin is so much easier than buying a raw coin as you know exactly what you are going to get before you part with your money.

    I have now put on my Tin Helmet and Bullet Proof Vest and I await the back lash !

     

     

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    Crown 1902 - Edward VII

    in British Coin Related Discussions & Enquiries

    Posted

    19 hours ago, VickySilver said:

    Yes indeed, that's my experience as well. The only thing I can say is that they are not at all consistent in grading of these 1902 mattes, not to mention those of later date "non-standard" years. One can only speculate as to the reasons because I can not say I agree at all with some of the grading on individual specimens. I have also seen some auctions such as Goldbergs that have numerous specimens of both the crown and the larger gold with what appear to be very liberal grading. On the other hand I did get one of the old ANACS graded matte pieces that was in fact far better than its "60" grade.

     

    91 has got to be a sensational coin and would like to see well-lighted pictures in Hi Def of it....

    Hi VickySilver

    Thank you for your confirmation upon the quantity of varieties. I have only been on this site a week and I was horrified, well just miffed, to find that there were 50+ variations of Edward VII Pennies. I believed there to be under 30 variations.

    I also collect £5 gold and across all the grading companies the grades and indeed valuations can vary noticeably.

    I will take a photo of the 91 grade 1902 crown and send to you. It took me 35yrs to find that example.

    I am always looking for very high grade Edward VII coins and if you hear of any denomination for sale I would appreciate a "Heads Up" as I believe the terminology is these days 

    Crown 1902 - Edward VII

    in British Coin Related Discussions & Enquiries

    Posted

    21 hours ago, coinkat said:

    I have not searched for the low 2... is there a premium for that variety? Also, did CGS recognize the B.P. over another B?

    My experience with this date from across the pond is that one can find nice matte proofs and commercial strikes if one searches and is patient. However, both NGC and PCGS are very strict and rarely seem to grade them as a 65 or 66. 64 in both of types is as good as I have done buying raw and submitting. I suspect your CGS 91 is an amazing coin- congrats

    Hi CoinKat

    With the exception of the Standard 1902 crown the rest seem to pass hands for just a little more than the cost of a standard providing the grade is comparable.

    Thank you for your kind complement. It took me over 35 years to obtain that coin.

    I have never had major issues with NGC or PCGS. My only tiny critique is that the american grading houses do not define the variations of the british coins but this is understandable as with the exception of a few british coins the vast majority cannot be classed as Anglo-American so the experience and maybe interest is just not there. Same with CGS in England I would not grade a high end american coin at CGS - Horses for Courses !!

     

    Crown 1902 - Edward VII

    in British Coin Related Discussions & Enquiries

    Posted

    Hi.

    I am looking for information to help me research and  search to collect this set.

    Does anyone out there have information to more variations of this coin or one for sale which is an upgrade or a gap giller for me ?

    To my knowledge there are 5 Crowns 1902:

    i/  Esc 361 - Standard Coin

    ii/  ESC 362 - Matt Proof

    iii/  Matt Proof surfaces with a bright edge - Edge as found on currency pieces.

    iv/  Low 2 in date

    v/  B.P. struck over another B.

    I have examples of the first, Second and Fifth Crown slabbed by CGS respectively at grades 80, 91 and 70.

    I am both seeking information if there are any other variations, looking for upgrades to these grades and also actively seeking to purchase these.

    Double Sovereign 1902

    in British Coin Related Discussions & Enquiries

    Posted

    Hi.

    I am looking for information to help my search to collect this set.

    To my knowledge there are 4 Double Sovereigns 1902:

    i/  Spink 3967 - Standard Coin

    ii/  Spink 3968 - Matt Proof

    iii/  Matt Proof Narrow 5.9mm date width. Pointed base "2"

    iv/  Matt Proof wider 6.25mm date width. Rounded base "2"

    I have examples of the first three slabbed by CGS respectively at grades 45, 85, 85 and I am both seeking information if there are any other variations, looking for upgrades to these grades and also actively seeking to purchase a Matt Proof wider 6.25mm date width. Rounded base "2" to add to my collection.

    Pennies - Edward VII

    in Confirmed unlisted Varieties.

    Posted

    22 hours ago, Gary D said:

    Hi and welcome to the forum. Someone who collects Brass 3d's, I was beginning to think I was the only one with a set. Mods can we have a Brass 3d section.

    Hi GaryD

    Brass 3D are a greatly overlooked denomination. They are a beautiful little coin with an interesting history.

    As far as I know there are 44 different variations of the Brass 3D but after finding out there are 60 variations of the Edward VII Pennie on this site yesterday when I had firmly believed there were on 26 variations. Are there more than 44 variations of the Brass 3D ? ? ?

    I would appreciate the opportunity to discuss Brass 3D's with you and I would also like a Brass 3D section if that could be arranged with the site controllers.

    Would if be possible to see your Brass 3D collections ? You can see mine on the CGS site under The Coinery and TC Coins.

    This is quite exciting as you are he only other Brass 3D collector I know.

    I look forward to hearing from you.

    Pennies - Edward VII

    in Confirmed unlisted Varieties.

    Posted

    20 hours ago, Colin G. said:

    Ooh if you have any farthings that need a new home, let me know, I may be able to assist in removing some of the burden..and free up funds to help with your new area of focus. When those slabs surface in the river at sometime in the future, it will seriously confuse and please whoever finds them :D - you should set up a new CGS account "Ouse" and move them over into the collection ;)

    Good Morning Colin.

    With the exception of my Edward VII Farthings any other Farthings I have are available to help improve your collection. They are listed on CGS as "The Coinery" and TC Coins.

    Sixpences are another passion of mine and should you have any 6D you do not want you can cross reference them against "TC - Sixpences".

    Pete (PWA1967) berated me for amassing such a hoard of duplicates but unlike Pete I still have to work so I took my eye off the ball and as a consequence I have a redicules quantity of duplicates.

    You are a cruel man !!  But I thank you for the soggy CGS pseudonym recommendation but I think I prefer "Lost At Sea" or maybe even "Ship wreck Coins". You will be pleased to know that Numismatic Non Nicety is not restrained to our shores. A fellow collector in Holland and also France have confirmed they have found one of my sovereigns on their beaches but neither has confirmed the UIN (Unique Identification Number) and as such there only reward will be a "Fat Lip" when I next visit them.

    I am beginning to see where your pre decimal pseudonym may have "arisen" from.

    "Float My Boat" could be another possible collection pseudonym

    Enough of these Salty Tales for now as I need to Cast Off and Sail to work . . . . . . 

     

    Pennies - Edward VII

    in Confirmed unlisted Varieties.

    Posted

    Thank you for the link IanB - an interesting read. I did not know hardly anything about The Pyx.

    However I don't think I will be submitting and of my 34 crowns to this process any time soon :-).

    To reply to VickySilver I will test my other wreath crowns and report back to you with photographs of the XRF display.

    One small ditty of information is that we have found tiny traces of silver in a few Edward VII sovereigns and half sovereigns.

    Half Sovereign with with I.E.B. initials

    in Confirmed unlisted Varieties.

    Posted

    On 26 March 2016 at 5:16 PM, Cal from U.S. said:

    I recently purchased an 1887 Victoria Jubilee gold half sovereign. I believe it's genuine since it's slabbed and certified AU58 by CCCS.  I confirmed the certification number in their database.  What I can't identify is an imperfect "J" in the initials.  The expected J.E.B. clearly appears as I.E.B.  I've read of this on some full sovereign varieties from Melbourne and Sidney mints, but there's no reference to I.E.B. initials on a half sovereign, and my coin has no mint mark so it came from London. There's no mention of this in Spink.  Except for the I.E.B. initials, my coin appears to be a Spink 3869.  Does anyone know if this is an unknown or unmentioned variety? 

    Hi. These Half Sovereigns are listed on the CGS website. I have one and the UIN is 38541. I regret to say that personally I do not feel they are rare as I currently have 3 and the price on the CGS site does not indicate any rarity. Sorry if this disappoints.

     

    Pennies - Edward VII

    in Confirmed unlisted Varieties.

    Posted

    4 hours ago, secret santa said:
    5 hours ago, mrbadexample said:

    I read Three Men in a Boat a month or two ago. They made it seem like hard work. :P

    How long ago did you lose the sovereigns? Is there a dredging opportunity for those who don't have any? And did you tell the wife what you'd done? :D

    I lost them summer 2014. The water level on the Ouse rises and falls 20ft and I can tell you that you will need to look some where between York and Hull . . . . . Did I tell my Wife what - I do not know what you are talking about ! Would you tell your Wife ?

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    Pennies - Edward VII

    in Confirmed unlisted Varieties.

    Posted

    10 hours ago, mrbadexample said:

    Yorkshire. Tick.

    Coins. Tick.

    Backgammon. Tick

    Boats. Hmmm.

    Red wine. Tick.

    Coins. Tick.

    Coins. Tick.

    Not sure about the boats but you'll do for me. Welcome. :)

     

    Thank you all for the welcome !

    I have, as I am sure quite a few collectors have, fallen into bad habits and started collecting just one of this and one of that and finally after decades of collecting ended up with an ecleptic mix of coins and exonumia and one day you turn round and realise you have what my Wife calls Numismatic Addiction or NA for short. Is "NA" is also short for Nag and I dare say this as she would never visit this site :-). She dislikes coins at best and at worse Hates coins. She once questioned wether I would like to marry my collection instead of her and after considering this at length I am wondering if it possible to trade the Wife for coins ? - I will check your sites discussion threads for verification  :-)

    My current collection covers all British denominations and my intention / goal is to vastly reduce my collection so I can concentrate on only collecting all British Edward VII coins plus regardless of Monarch all Pennies, Half Pennies, Sixpences and Brass 3D's. Now I know this sounds like I am not reducing things greatly but this really is a big reduction for me.

    One other coin I have a great interest in is the 1934 wreath crown and I have read some of the threads on this site about this coin and also about the fakes out there and this problem is mainly caused by these so called Museum Replicas which in themselves are neither a bad thing or illegal but the problem is that when resold the new owner may either accidentally sell as genuine or worse try to pass off as an original. This is one reason my I have some of my coins slabbed. One interesting fact about 34 Crowns is that they contain between 68% to 76% silver. I always thought they were 50% silver but after my friend zapped them with an XRF gun the metallurgic content certainly surprised me. 

    Some reputable sellers sell these 34 replica Crowns with "Fake" or "Replica" stamped into them or something similar to the changes on the 1797 Cartwheels and there should be a law which forces the inclusion of "Fake" or "Replica" on all non original currency / proof coins.

    To respond to Mr Badexample I would like to explain about boats: Like coin collecting unless you do it there are misconstrued ideas about boating. A boat is a place you can escape alone or with friends on, totally away from the world enjoying Britians green and pleasant land with mobile phone firmly turned off, where you can drink Red Wine, play Backgammon and sort / examine your coins in absolute peace and quiet. The only usual disturbance is some greedy Swans occasionally wanting a free food handout.

    One cautionary tale about boats and coins is that whilst we all know coins sink I once thought that slabbed coins would float so instead of working upon my coins down below in the boat I happily sat on the back in the sun and to my cost several slabbed coins ended up in the River Ouse. The sovereigns are still languishing at the bottom of the river but to my joy the half sovereigns floated. So maybe slabbed Farthings and Silver 3D's will float as well. Let me know

    Normally people say Don't Try This At Home - I would strongly recommend you DID try floating your slabbed coins in the sink at home as the majority will sink.

    Again thank you for the welcome and I look forward to enjoying this site, the knowledge I will acquire and the banter I am sure is yet to come.

     

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