josie

Can someone post a picture of this 6 variety? for future reference

Thank you gary good site

THAK YOU slyvester, with gary figure and your explanation I understand now more clearly

SO THIS SPECIMEN IS NOT RARE?

since i have 2 not verified I give one to the british museum, It is up to the authority to verify wheather it is forge or not, been there in your museum take picture inside and out including outside coincraft shy to take picture inside the shop lots of stuff in there, that figure you show, thus this interest THE world collectoer if it is included in world catalog

Hmm.. I'm confused josie. Are you of the impression that 'the secrets of British coinage' aren't otherwise recorded, confirmed and verified? But this is exactly what the British Numismatic Journal and to a lesser extent Spink's Numismatic Circular and even magazines like Coin News do. What is done daily on this and other (lesser!) websites. Numismatists and collectors write in with newly discovered varieties, theories and whatever so that others can learn or discuss their interests further. I suspect any business entity would have to pay a not-so-small fortune to be able to draw on the range of knowledge and expertise that the above publications alone can do. Thus all find is also recorded in world catalog for other collector to know or only the rare coin is included in the world catalog about the 1957 calm sea variety on seven,It maybe recorded in most of the published paper. but the other collector know? that i didnt know that until I saw it in your site, if they know thus they will include it in there coin gallery in different forum or maybe the collector know it but did not post or include it to his collection even how worn his other collection in the series of coin At least if there has to be slabbed coins, then a UK company with a British bias should be able to get the grade right. The biggest problem emanating from the US is a virtually complete lack of understanding what constitutes VF, EF and UNC for early milled issues and hammered. There are so few mint state pieces extant prior to William and Mary that most people will never physically see one, let alone own one. However, I suspect that the problems with resubmission until the required grade is given will transfer across the pond. It's all down to profit. I agree to that coin so rare only few have it, Exist only in lower grade even how low thier grade is, thier price should be the same as proof for no other greater grade exist , even if the highest grade of that series is fine

I dont know if it is rare for i have 2, Bougth lot of coins in carbooth here in ireland, well i do buy coins in coinshop in dublin by piece, almost same condition in carbooth by they have coins upto 80 euro a piece 1940 ireland penny, i cannot afford that, I bought the lowest in there shop to fill the hole in this series,the 1908 the specimen exist it migth exist in other place especially in UK where it originated, hoping that other may know or verified for it is worn other may have better example, to study especially the detail and the edge

sometimes im loss during the discussion, the topic sometimes interest me a lot ,having problem what Im going to type in the computer and what is in my mind, Trying my best to answer the question, well it is more like a debate, By the way Im a man just have femine name,

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THANK YOU TO ALL, Who reply and vote in the poll,I stay here, for this site have info on british coin, and show coins and variety I didnt see, or that I have no books or reference or hard time finding info in other website.Hope to see new find in this forum to be included in next year world catalog.

Definitely not the grading company. In the case of British coins, their expertise and knowledge is limited to the long established reference books such as Peck and Freeman. It is highly unlikely they will acknowledge a new variety as they are also ensuring they are credible by only using these recognised sources. A long established dealer or experienced collector has far greater clout if they have established credentials in a particular area. There is no one official database, so all information has to be recorded piecemeal, such as in the unrecorded varieties section of this forum. Spink is the closest you will come to a standard reference in the UK and they will record new varieties from time to time based on whether an example has passed through their saleroom or a serious collector has submitted unambiguous varieties for their approval. Whilst not perfect, it does give some recognition whilst allowing the more fanciful wished for errors to be excluded. Too many "error" varieties are based on low grade examples which given the amount of abuse the coin has suffered may or may not be real. when is the time that one will exist as i said there are collectors who collect british coin, well low grade or not it is recorded but better in good condition to study the detail, if a collector around the world have a querry where are the expert they can ask, gladly I found this site, As I said it is good have verified and comfimed section of this forum, but those that are being confirmed and verified goes to the book upto the world standard catalog for next year, for that one year is there medium to inform collector dealers and numismatic to tell them that they have a new find to check for thier collection to search for new specimen in good detail, May it is better that thier is a base where they can ask an expert an authority in british coinage to confirm they findings, If a slabbing companies employs british expert to verify a coin that are expert in thier own field and collection or series of coin, thus this is more better than non at all. a one stop website

WHO ARE THE AUTHORITY IN COINAGE THE SLABBER OR THE COLLECTOR AND THIER ORGANIZATION WHO WILL VERIFY THE NEW FIND WHO WILL CHANNEL THE NEW INFORMATION THUS THEY WILL MEET HALFWAY WHO HAVE THE GENERAL DATABASE FOR THE RECORDE AND UNRECORDED COINAGE THUS THERE ARE ALL EXPERT AND FAIR IN THEIR JUDGEMENT I AM LOOKING FOR THE HEIRARCHY OF COINAGE FOR USA IS WIDE NOW WHO HOLDS EUROPE

We like it or not slab and unslab exist, art and profit, like 2 side of the coin split but one,If they will going to put up the company make sure that there are expert for, i do not know if there are european expert employed in the grading service in the USA, for also collector around the world collect slab and un slab coin, if USA are more in grading, Why does there Goverment have a bill or law to return coins from there country of origin which european coin are old and worn not good grade, Where are you exactly? HERE IN GREYSTONES COUNTY WICKLOW IRELAND STILL PART OF EUROPE

YES the old coin is lower grade but who is the expert grading them american or european, about 1900 century all the secret, variety and error of europe while there out there and still not worn they can catch up also the coin in circulatoin the pound and the euro for better grade, since the expert are all base here and all the coins are struck in europe it is better to study them for the source is here

Without a doubt. Before it will go down to profit, would they record it first, all the secrets of BRITISH COINAGE all that is confirmed and need verification,

* Are you referring to population reports here? If so it's probably worth while me pointing out one small often overlooked point by even more experience collectors. In the US coins are slabbed and given population reports (i.e 12 grade as this 3 higher), however, they quickly become very unaccurate, firstly because coins submitted after that might be the same type and add a few more to the population report. However, simultaneously many coins are cracked out and resubmitted regularly! So How many have been added to that 12 since it was graded and how many lost from that 12 due to resubmissions. Which to me makes the whole pop. report a pretty useless measure. It's simply put there by slabbing companies as a selling gimmick.. kind of "look how rare this is!". ** Another small point which you'll no doubt encounter as you become more experienced, and it's worth holding in mind, "higher grade doesn't always mean better or nicer". Sometimes a coin in EF can look way better than another one in a higher grade. Be it differences in strike, tone, or whatever. Some coins simply have more eye appeal than others, and eye appeal has nothing to do with grading. Let no one try and convince you otherwise. It's an important point that's often overlooked. You will no doubt here colectors and dealers saying that AU58s often look far nicer than MS60s. MS60 might have the higher state of preservation but AU58 whilst a lower grade can often turn out nicer looking specimens. THANK YOU FOR THE INFO, well readers know now that they the collector do resubmit the coin in other grading company so the pop. report is useless at least it is recorded, for the pricise record and for the rare thing, for the company that will going to slab the coin for grading ,the collector own the coin, but the service made by the company so in the pop. report if the collector think that there is many or rare type of the coins he have somewhat base his presumption of the price, either the company hype this pop. report or not it is one of the factor affecting the price, is there a policy by the company if the collector break the slab for it bare the name of the company, if he dont reslub it, he maybe report to the company that the slub is broken so the company will strip it to there record, of pop. report but have a record that they slab it once in the past as for other collector who have many coin and reslab thier coin what will be the effect on that to the other collector, also for those who break thier slab and dont reslab, AT LEAST YOU SAID THAT THIS THINGS HAPPEN COMPANY AND COLLECTOR NOW ARE UP TO THIER TOES, Also other thing that the collector here in europe is distinct from USA a this forum have been moving into. they dont want slabbing company I will ACCEPT that, in the past watch one of the series of show in BBC a TV presenter said he got to slab the coin to the US, for europe as for i observe are also a great collector,They do collect things they like but not into certefiction At first did the slabbing company in the USA got a heavy opposition when they planning to have a company in there, since it was already founded and many more follow maybe, at first the company is more precise in their POP. report for it is only ONE, COMPANY ON THAT TIME if europe dont what a slabbing I also ACCEPT that, but thier are other collector and dealers in thier field base in EUROPE, AMERICA,CANADA, AND AUSTRALIA that collect thier coin, but also of the other counrty as well, SLAB OR NOT SLAB, here is the thing thus most of the SLABBING COMPANY EMPLOY A BRITISH EXPERT MAY HE BE A AMERICAN OR EUROPEAN, THUS HE SEE MANY SPICEMEN TO MAKE HIS JUDGEMENT FAIR, IT IS GOOD FOR OTHER COLLETOR TO COLLECT COIN FROM OTHER COUNTRY BUT IT IS BETTER IF HE IS BASE TO WHERE THE COIN SOURCE OR WHERE IT IS MADE, THUS IT IS ALSO THRU THAT USA A COUNTRY AND A GOVT. HAVE A BILL OR LAW TO RETURN FOREIGN COINS TO THIER COUNTRY OF ORIGIN THUS THIS MEAN THAT THEY DO COLLECT COIN IN USA BESIDE THERE OWN COIN, MOST TIME I SEARCH FOR THE INFO IN THE INTERNET FOR VARIETY IN GB OR IRELAND COINS, MOST BRITISH COIN AT THIER SITE REPLY MORE RESEARCH AND, STUDY THUS ALL THE FORUM FORMAT THE REPORTING OF NEW FIND IS GOOD THING TO HEAR, THUS THIS NEED TO BE PUBLISHED FOR NEXT YEAR BOOK, FOR THAT ONE YEAR THUS ANY OTHER MEDIUM INFORM THE COLLECTOR THEY HAVE NEW FIND OR IT IS BETTER TO HAVE A SLABBING COMPANY TO SLAB COIN,FOR THEY HAVE ALSO HAVE THE EXPERT WHEATHER OR NOT IN COLLABORATION OF FELLOW EXPERT AGAINST SLABBING, THUS COMPANY CREATE MORE INTEREST IN COIN TO STUDY THEM, SLABBING A COIN ,A NEW FIND AN ERROR OR VARIETY , ALL THAT EXIST OR CONFIRMED IN THE PAST AND OTHER THAT WILL FOLLOW TO BE CONFIRMED, THEY OR THE COMPANY WILL DO MORE RESEARCH ON THEM MOST OF THE SITE I BROWSE, IF THERE IS A NEW FIND OR INQUIRY ABOUT BRITISH COINAGE THEY WILL REPLY ASK A BRITISH COIN EXPERT........ ????????? I'm sorry Josie, but I can't understand what you are trying to say. Could you possibly use punctuation and paragraphs and keep the related bits together. Thanks. THANK YOU ROB, WELL THE POINT IS THERE ARE COLLECTORS AND DEALERS AROUND THE WORLD, COLLECT SLAB AND UNSLAB COIN, IS BRITISH COIN AND BRITISH EXPERT ARE WELL OR EQUALLY REPRESENTED IN THE SLABBING COMPANY, TO GRADE AND RECORD THE COINS THEY COLLECT FOR CENTURIES.

* Are you referring to population reports here? If so it's probably worth while me pointing out one small often overlooked point by even more experience collectors. In the US coins are slabbed and given population reports (i.e 12 grade as this 3 higher), however, they quickly become very unaccurate, firstly because coins submitted after that might be the same type and add a few more to the population report. However, simultaneously many coins are cracked out and resubmitted regularly! So How many have been added to that 12 since it was graded and how many lost from that 12 due to resubmissions. Which to me makes the whole pop. report a pretty useless measure. It's simply put there by slabbing companies as a selling gimmick.. kind of "look how rare this is!". ** Another small point which you'll no doubt encounter as you become more experienced, and it's worth holding in mind, "higher grade doesn't always mean better or nicer". Sometimes a coin in EF can look way better than another one in a higher grade. Be it differences in strike, tone, or whatever. Some coins simply have more eye appeal than others, and eye appeal has nothing to do with grading. Let no one try and convince you otherwise. It's an important point that's often overlooked. You will no doubt here colectors and dealers saying that AU58s often look far nicer than MS60s. MS60 might have the higher state of preservation but AU58 whilst a lower grade can often turn out nicer looking specimens. THANK YOU FOR THE INFO, well readers know now that they the collector do resubmit the coin in other grading company so the pop. report is useless at least it is recorded, for the pricise record and for the rare thing, for the company that will going to slab the coin for grading ,the collector own the coin but the service made by the company so in the pop. report if the collector think that there is many or rare type of the coins he have somewhat base his presumption of the price, either the company hype this pop. report or not it is one of the factor affecting the price, is there a policy by the company if the collector break the slab for it bare the name of the company, if he dont reslub it he maybe report to the company that the slub is broken so the company will strip it to there record of pop. report but have a record that they slab it once in the past as for other collector who have many and reslab thier coin what will be the affect on that to the other also for those who break thier slab and dont reslab, AT LEAST YOU SAID THAT THIS THINGS HAPPEN COMPANY AND COLLECTOR NOW ARE UP TO THIER TOES, Also other thing that the collector here in europe is distinct from USA a this forum have been moving into. they dont want slabbing company I will ACCEPT that, in the past watch one of the series of show in BBC a TV presenter said he got to slab the coin to the US for europe as for i observe are also a great collector, At first did the slabbing company got a heavy opposition when they planning to have a company in there, since it was already founded and many more follow maybe at first the company is more precise in their POP. report for it is only ONE,if europe dont what a slabbing I also ACCEPT that but thier are other collector and dealers in thier field base in EUROPE, AMERICA,CANADA, AND AUSTRALIA that don only collect thier coin, but also of the other counrty as well, SLAB OR NOT SLAB, here is the thing thus most of the SLABBING COMPANY EMPLOY A BRITISH EXPERT MAY HE BE A AMERICAN OR EUROPEAN, THUS HE SEE MANY SPICEMEN TO MAKE HIS JUDGEMENT FAIR, IT IS GOOD FOR OTHER COLLETOR TO COLLECT COIN FROM OTHER COUNTRY BUT IT IS BETTER IF HE IS BASE TO WHERE THE COIN SOURCE OR WHERE IT IS MADE, THUS IT IS ALSO THRU THAT US A GOVT. HAVE A BILL OR LAW TO RETURN FOREIGN COINS TO THIER COUNTRY OF ORIGIN THUS THIS MEAN THAT THEY DO COLLECT COIN OF DIFF. TYPE OUTHERE. MOST TIME I SEARCH FOR THE INFO IN THE INTERNET FOR VARIETY IN GB OR IRELAND COINS MOST BRITISH COIN THIER SITE REPLY MORE RESEARCH AND, STUDY THUS ALL THE FORUM FORMAT THE REPORTING OF NEW FIND IS GOOD THING TO HEAR, THUS THIS NEED TO BE PUBLISHED FOR NEXT YEAR BOOK, FOR THAT ONE YEAR THUS ANY OTHER MEDIUM INFORM THE COLLECTOR THEY HAVE NEW FIND OR IT IS BETTER TO HAVE A SLABBING COMPANY TO SLAB IT FOR THEY HAVE ALSO HAVE THE EXPERT WHEATHER OR NOT IN COLLABORATION OF FELLOW EXPERT AGAINST SLABBING, THUS COMPANY CREATE MORE INTEREST IN COIN TO STUDY THEM, SLABBING A COIN A NEW FIND ALL THAT EXIST AND OTHER THAT WILL FOLLOW, MOST OF THE SITE WILL REPLY ASK A BRITISH COIN EXPERT........

Why does that make me think of David Dickinson? DEALING WITH DICKINSON HE LOVES MAHOGANY FURNITURE I WATCH MOST OF THE PROGRAMS IN BBC ANTIQUES ROADSHOW, CARBOOTH, AND CASH IN THE ATTIC, FUNNY CLICK ON BBC WEBSITE 3 YEARS AGO FOR LINK IN COIN ENDED HERE

THANK YOU TOM YOUR GOOD HEART

THANK YOU VERY MUCH TOM YOUR GOOD HEART

If they last for centuries well that will be case, Just asking why, now I know, JUST A FAVOR SINCE IM NEW DONT KNOW HOW TO MAKE A POLL TITLE SLABBING COMPANY IN EUROPE, IN FAVOR, NOT FAVOR for this topic most of you dont want so just a try, mentioning try nobody try to open slabbing company here in europe hope will start a poll to take a pulse of europe

You taking care good care of your coins, for there is a lot of coins minted all over the world and some been put back in the goverment to be melted and other melt even thier gold and national treasure when they are in crisis for good coins you have it must have survived those two and other things that your coin still exist today, that you have that coin others dont and maybe coins that are not recorded and track most slabbing company have population report good for them, migth be also good for other that they were recorded and count the number that they still exist today few and endangered for they may be gone or lost at least it is recorded in slabbing company how many they are and in what condition or grade, it also lower and up the price of the coin well it is recorded both in company and in books for other to see that they dont have THANK YOU

YES the old long question slab or not, between a company and a collector am I right... thus slab coin preseve much longer than unslab? there are different level of condition of coin as for every or all things in this world lucky for those who have them and love them...... THANK YOU for your reply, As I said earlier there are other countries longer history than the USA...they should have a grading company with all thier expert pack in one company to catalogue and record all coins in europe as for the service it goes along there is also a downside studying and looking and checking for detail of the coin for me it is fair to have thier fee, If the major company in the USA dont want to step it is up to the expert here in europe if they want, or not, so that coin you have will happen again and grade other coin, for all the expert here channel there knowledge in one big company and to slab the old coin,

THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPLY, yes most of the time i forgot to make a comma or pause, just browse on the site, THANKS for the info,British and othre european countries have a long line of history as you mentioned, much more longer history than the USA i may say..., like in this forum there is a section where coin from 16th century upto now is being confirmed and verified, if USA have a very very wide record of there coinage it is applicable to other countries who is more longer history than them,if most of the coin in past is not recorded well it be lost and not be preserve in both records and actual coin for most of the metal is melted when the nation is in crisis, at least it is recorded and studied in present and know the story behind it which is a part of history of one nation, there is a saying or quote that a man is searching for a treasure start in small one wanted a bigger one both in material and non material, well im starting in small on.... YES the old long question slab or not, between a company and a collector am I right... thus slab coin preseve much longer than unslab? there are different level of condition of coin as for every or all things in this world lucky for those who have them and love them......