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Again, the same attribution but die number 7. (The picture was too big to upload so I had to chop the top off)

Here are another with the same attributions, but die number 15. The WW is far better struck on this example.

Here is an 1877 Florin which is die number 59 which is attributed to 3+B, 48 arcs, no stop after date and with WW, a Davies 762, ESC 846 or Coincraft 255. I dont use Spink so don't know the reference. The WW is weak but visible. The picture came from an archived London coins auction.

Hi, the Penny looks like a Freeman 66, obverse 6 (large gap btween ribbo and back of neck), reverse G (wide date and sea crosses linear circle)

My 1887 wreath reverse sixpence variety is a lot more of a sure-fire observably different coin compared to the regular issue than yours appears to be Dave. Yet how much interest has it aroused in this forum? Almost none. Sorry if I'm unsympathetic, but that's been my experience. Sour grapes? You bet. Hi Peck, I'd be interested to read the post on your Sixpence, could you let me know where about to look? Thanks

I'll ask him at the weekend and e-mail your scans on.

Are you in contact with Peter Davies? he would be a good person to ask an opinion of.

Yes they were hand done, incuse on the die = raised on the coin. You picked me up wrong earlier, all die 39s will be D762, not vice versa. The 1st number is definitely not a 1, there is a very clear loop at the bottom.

Yes they were hand done, incuse on the die = raised on the coin. You picked me up wrong earlier, all die 39s will be D762, not vice versa. The 1st number is definitely not a 1, there is a very clear loop at the bottom.

they are from different dies (3 & 39). The crosses are in the same place, just better defined on one than the other. Die numbers are unique to a specific die, there may be alterations to enhance the specific die if needed e.g. re cutting letters etc to give very minor microvarieties, but there wouldnt be 2x 1877 florins with completely different obverses both with die 39s. The only example I know about in the thousand odd die number florins that has had a double die number is 1873 die 188, which had a wide and narrow spaced 188.

I disagree the bust is lower. The bust line is not struck up properly on your coin and has blurred the area where the WW is. like Nick said ' On your example, the bottom edge of Victoria's dress is not very well defined and there is almost no discernible gap between the dress and the arc and trefoil border. My guess is that the WW has become obscured by the encroaching dress line.' On your latest close up pic, there does look like there is a trace of the left side of the w, looking like a v, very shallow, situated to the left side of the 2nd trefoil after the 9.

Hi Dave, personally I would put the missing WW down to a blocked die or a bad strike.

Hi Dave, much bettrer close up. I am 99% sure that is a die 39. the die numbers were all hand punched and it is identical to other 39s I've seen. the trefoil to the right of the 9 is also misshaped which is on other 39s too. the style of the 3 is flat topped and is very often filled at the top.

Hi Azda, could you check the die number again, it looks like it is die 39, which was used on an obverse 3 with a WW which would be D762. The bottom of the bust was weakly struck on the die 39s, and yours does looks weaker than the ones I've seen before. If it is die 39 it must be obverse 3, Davies 762 with a filled/weak WW.

The decimal forgeries I have managed to get are : £2 coins 1998 x2 1999 normal and rugby, 2001, 2002, 2003 £1 coins, 164 various strikes etc, all reverses except Millenium bridge and the new shield design. 50p 1969, 1973, 1981 and 1997 small. 20p 1982, 83, 88, 89, 93 and 1994. I have also seen but do not have a 2p coin, which I was told were made lighter because seemingly drug dealers use a 2p as a weight for measuring the weight of a certain drug and the forgeries were made so they can use their scales with the light 2p and issue underweight bags to the smackhead users.??

I am also collector of forgeries and have 7 different fake £2 coins they are made fom a lead type metal similar to the old one pound forferies and are coloured. here is a scan of a 1998 and a 1999 rugby forgery

I think I have a fake penny....see picture below. One is the real penny (Left) and the other of the same year is a terrible copy. It seems pointless to forge pennies. http://s45.photobucket.com/albums/f94/larsselleth/?action=view&current=coins001.jpg The one on the right is missing all teeth and stops, which is really weird. However, I don't think it can be a forgery - as you say, who'd want to spend more on the exercise than the "coin" is worth? What it MIGHT be (and hold your horses right here, I only said MIGHT) is some kind of pattern, released accidentally? Unlikely, but I'm struggling to find a possible explanation (my first thought was a penny struck on the wrong blank, but that wouldn't eliminate teeth and stops). Peck, have a look at the obverse of a 2008 shield reverse Penny or a 2009, 10. Compare the obverse to a 1998>2008 Penny obverse, the difference will be very clear and I'd put a big wager on that that is the 2 obverses in the photo.

The penny on the right is the new shield reverse type, which does not have border beads on either side, thats why they look different.

Hi Wayne, I am also from Aberdeen. The Stamp Shop on Union Terrace used to sell coins but stopped a few years ago. The Guy Ian who runs it will still order accessories etc for coins. Cornucopia in Dundee comes to the collectors fair at Queens Cross church a few times a year, not much stock but usually good quality. If you go down to his shop, phone first, he is quite often away to fairs or on hols. There is also a guy called Neil from Edinburgh who attends the fair at the Tree Tops hotel on the last Sunday of each month, not a lot of coins but worth a look, I've had a few bargains. Hope this helps you a bit

Here is my example of a clogged die ' no H ' 1876 Penny, the linear circle is still quite strong.

The small lettering occurs on some 1894s also, but are very scarce. Davies 1013 1894 obv 1 rev B

Thats a great idea pinpointing them on a map. I live in NE Scotland, 120 miles from the nearest coin club, safe to say I'm not a member. A 5 hour round trip just wouldn't be worth it. Are there any other members here from Scotland?

It means that the last numeral in the date has been re-cut or re-stamped over the other numeral. In the 2 examples you gave the 8 will have been re-cut over a 7. This was done to use up old dies from the year before (or in some cases 2 years before). Some overdates are very clear as there was little effort put in to erasing the original numeral, others are very feint and difficult to determine. Other overdates such as the 1861 Pennies with the 8over6 occured by error with the wrong numeral punch being used to strengthen the weak numeral. Michael Gouby has some close up pictures on his site of some overdates www.michael-coins.co.uk. hope this helps.

closer shot of T/B the date

I have an example which seems to be the same dies as the 1st one mentioned. Missing/weak colon dots etc.