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Of course, and by the time you come to look at the book price, it may well have moved on from there. That said, much as I would absolutely covet a small date 1877 in AF, I wouldn't pay $15k for one. So that was a decent sale you got there, Bob. There is a certain cache attached to a small date 1877. Obviously there are other varieties within specific dates, which are just as rare, but which wouldn't fetch anywhere near what a Freeman 90 would attract. I suppose they are so instantly recognisable. I do take Pete's point about the 1912H - even in BU, £2k is absurdly expensive, as they are not actually that rare.

It's not just you that can't abide the X factor. It's inane juvenile drivel - I'm beginning to sound like my Dad, God help me

Are you thinking it might possibly be an F5 rather than an F4, Bernie?

Yep, definitely the same coin. The Atlas picture has been doctored, with only the most obvious blemishes showing up - it does look too good to be true. Well spotted, Richard. The camera is, in fact, telling whoppers.

He's actually put a decimal point instead of a comma between the 1 and the 9. So if it was just under £2, I'd buy it

It's going to the wire, no doubt about that. Too close to call.

It doesn't look it, to be honest with you

Just thinking, a coin like that must surely have some provenance. You could try tracking back, beginning with whoever yoiu bought it from - to see where they got it from. Did you buy it through an auction house?

Beautiful coin. No idea on it's origin. Absolutely flawless. Neat capture.

As Rob says, Jon - link I might go next year, but it will be to the July one. Not going in the middle of Winter.

Anybody got any thoughts about this? Not for me personally, but doesn't look too bad if you want to showcase your coins.

No, it's not cleaned - that's for definite. The coin is lustrous, but just worn looking. As Matt & Pete said, many of the Edward VII pennies have very poor reverses, probably due to inferior dies. I first uploaded the pic of that coin back in February 2013, when the issue arose on the first page of this thread

I know many aren't good, but this one is exceptionally bad. The "wear" on Britannia looks like 15 years worth. Anyway, it just kind of proves Colin's point that the look, is not indicative of the grade.

Talking about apparent wear on pretty much UNC coins, take a look at the state of the reverse on this aUNC1906 penny. It is my coin, and I'd forgotten about it until this thread reminded me.

Nice coin, but I think there might have been a little, shall we say, "journalistic licence" for want of a better phrase, exercised in the writing of that article, simply to embroider the story. Bit like the gold piece supposedly given to the kid to play with, which we talked about a few days ago.

I know we can be unnecessarily suspicious at times, but I have to say that if ever there were an example of what shill bidding might look like, that has to be it. I'm not saying it definitely is, but if it were, it'd be a classic for training purposes, as we say at work

I notice there are, unsurprisingly, five enquiries.

Well it's certainly not about uncirculated, nor as far as I can see is it an N over sideways N (Z), as suggested by the vendor. 69 bids for that, most of them by the same bidder? Yes, very fishy indeed. About as dodgy as a nine bob note, I'd say,

Also, they are prone to the inevitable "cabinet friction". I must admit, it would be nice to stumble across a pre decimal coin (of any denomination) that had lain undisturbed in the same spot for a very, very long time. The older the better. Although knowing my luck it would be a 1967 penny

Amazing what does turn up from time to time. I imagine that is how some of the most well preserved coins are found. Not in a collection, but having been left in the same place for maybe well over 100 years, having been originally lost or forgotten by the original owner. Especially if they were left somewhere conducive to good preservation.

No, but I've got an approximately 35 degree out of true rotation on a 1908 shilling, if that's any help. So definitely in that ballpark, date wise. They were very common in the Victoriam era, but not abundantly clear when they stopped. If indeed, they ever did. Although you wouldn't expect to see one today.

What's happened today plays right into the hands of ukip especially given their unjust lack of influence in parliament whilst the pro remain SNP has 56 MP's from a fraction of the votes ukip got in 2015.

Thirded

Nice coin , but proof isn't hitting me in the eye as it does with some. There are those which you can instantly see are the real deal. Like Steve's 1868 cupro nickel or copper. I know one of them had provenance from a Glendinning's sale in 1940.

No. If bremain had won by the same margin as they lost, there would have been no more discussion and things would have carried on in exactly the same way as before. So in my view, nothing is up for debate now. We leave. Plus, we bow to the majority will, regardless of our own opinion. That is what democracy is all about.