TomGoodheart

So you don't consider that for almost three decades he has been a major stumbling block to peace and accord in Nothern Ireland? That contrary to the hopes and desires of the majority of the populace he has kept the discord simmering? That he has allowed his opposition to the Catholic Church to colour all his political decisions and that is is this, not his 'Royalist' beliefs that make him want to keep Nothern Ireland stuck in a religious time warp? Staying true to your principals is only admirable if they are not flawed in the first place Aidan.

I'm not sure smoking a spliff can stop someone from being a bigot Chris. I guess we'll just have to wait for Aidan to tell us why he thought we'd like the link.

Not to the extent of writing on them in Indian ink like some Victorian collectors I hope!!

OOps - getting too old to remember sucjh details! (Don't worry Geordie - in time you'll be like me and you'll be able to make mistakes without needing to edit first )

Looks like Ruyman has disappeared! Shame.

Matthew Alfred Brigg (d 1937) but I know nothing more about him other than at least one of his coins went into John Brooker's collection of Chas I coins from the Glendinings sale of 23 May 1939. But that may just be a coincidence. It appears that lots of Victorians and Edwardians were not adverse to stamping their initials (or those of their company) onto coin of the realm! I'm not sure we can conclude it was a collector (would YOU stamp a coin Geordie!?)

Yeah, and one of those is the 'lassie from the Bank of Scotland'!!

AArgh!!! What's the point of getting a graded slab if you then try to sell it as undergraded!!! PCGS too - just goes to show, stick to slabbing the moderns, guys!

I'm so jealous! My Mrs doesn't mind that I collect coins. She just doesn't want me to talk about them or spend money on them! I think her problem is that, like most women, she needs a really good............................................................... hobby

I have to say I'm fascinated E D. Not so much for the rarity of this particular coin, but just that it makes me ask... how the hell do they know that? Are you telling me that some poor PCGS employee spends all their time rooting through every bag of coins released by the mint for that one perfect specimen? Or was this sent in by someone for grading, in which case I guess it is exceptional, given that I have noticed the new British 2ps all have the same flaw so none of them would presumably qualify. Anyhow... I do just love to see other people's collecting interests, although this sort of thing is about as far from my 'kind' of coin as you can get, so thanks for the link! As they say - variety is the spice of life!!

I believe it's an imitation 'Spade' guinea, produced in some numbers and used for card games etc

I don't think it's terribly different but some words are spelt / pronounced different from what is generally known as 'Spanish'. There's less difference between the two than say modern English and that of Shakespeare.

Babelfish doesn't offer translation to Catalan

¡Sí, y más fotografías en el sitio sea muy agradable!

I was just thinking the Rotographic books are general but a lot cheaper and seem better value than a Spink at NZ$ 75 or so!

Krause and Spink are fine as general books Aidan but eventually I think we all find we need more specialised stuff. If you're going to get into tokens and Cu/ bronze all the variations just aren't going to be detailed somewhere like Spink which is ok for the size but tries to cram a bit too much in!. Just an idea, but you could get both Collectors' Coins 2006, Collectors' Banknotes 2006 plus something like England's Striking History from here for around the price of Spink alone! You'd have a jolly good read and loads of info! For anything else I'm sure others here on the forum would be delighted to recommend books in their special areas of interest. By the way - I don't know how libraries are in NZ but here most will order in a specialised book if you need to refer to it at minimal cost...

Absolutely - Aidan I think your Christmas 'wish list' should definitely include a copy of Peck, Chris' Banknotes book and a digital camera or scanner!!!

Me too! I would never have made the connection if you hadn't brought the token to my attention!

I'm not sure if you know that, although token currency was declared illegal in 1817 (following the introduction of the new coin the previous year) those of Birmingham and Sheffield Workhouses were given an exemption for a short time (until 1820 and 1823 respectively). Effectively I think this makes these types the only ones officially recognised as legal tender, albeit for a short while. This is because Parliament realised that many people would suffer severe hardship were their small change to become worthless 'overnight'.

All I could find is on Chard's site, but no date of issue I'm afraid. Richard

Interesting link here Aidan. As far as I can make out, Professor Thomas Holloway was a millionaire philanthropist who made his fortune from patent medicines. In 1879 after staging a public debate concerning 'How best to spend a quarter of a million or more' he co-founded Royal Holloway College, University of London. The link being that his co-founder Elizabeth Jesser Reid previously founded Bedford College (University of London), my old alma mater. See wot an educashun you can get from coins??

Indeed, the one for sale in an old copy of Spink's Numismatic Circular weighs over 145g. That's the weight of five modern 'crowns' or two cartwheel twopence! Only six specimens struck the entry says and I can see why!! Just for information, the diameter is the same as the 3d so presumably it's like a 'piedfort' 3d!

Perhaps it's an early holey dollar

Very nice scottishmoney! Coins like this are certainly a problem. Somehow once the variety is recognised somewhere like Spink the price goes up but until then... Just for info, DNW had a seven arc coin some years ago but no picture and as far as I can see a different issue. I doubt an auction price that long ago is much use now! I've put a post on another forum I belong to - if anyone comes up with anything helpful I'll let you know!

It also depends on where you intend to sell this coin. You'll normally get different amounts from dealers than from an auction, than from ebay! If you tell us what the coin is, ideally with a picture of each side, I imagine there's enough experience on this forum to give you an indication of value. What you try to get for the coin is then up to you!