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I notice he's pulled it - did you have a dialogue with him? Mind you, it's more difficult to call on his other stuff.

This is a very strange metal-detecting find - and they're in a folder as well!

I can see a ghost of something in the space behind the neck and under the bun on the rh coin, but not a bloomin thing on the one on left.

I agree entirely.

By knowingly attempting to sell a likeness of a hypothetical item with an assertion or inference that it is real, a seller is committing an equal sin to one who knowingly tries to sell a fake item. Both instances are deception!

Rob - with respect size is not the real issue here, nor is metallurgical analysis of metals in the composition of half-crowns - rather it is whether the coin that started this thread is a fake.

Regarding size, since this appears to be a copy of a pattern Edward VII double florin, this seller should know better since he purports to be a dealer and his eBay shop has several British crowns. Thus, his description of this fake is way off, in my view to 'muddy the waters' - add to this his disclaimer that he can't guarantee authenticity - as a dealer!!! Where is this guy coming from? Russia we might say!

I've just found this so presumably our dodgy example is double-florin size... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1902-EDWARD-VII-PROOF-PATTERN-DOUBLE-FLORIN-BOXED-SET-SILVER-COPPER-BRONZE/182771712074?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D46150%26meid%3D1093b7a9e910456e8bf92af246d1f1c8%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D381856060611&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851 From what I have discovered, there was a 1902 gold proof pattern double florin of this design.

I notice I've just graduated from 'starter' to 'junior' member. Does this mean everybody buys me a drink?!!

He's trading as a bona-fide coin dealer, "Imperia Coins" - 'sign up' for his newsletter he says!

Strangely it ships from Russia - now that's surprising! The seller's in the US though and many of his other English items for sale are the commonest-of-common British crowns.

Forgetting the horrendous legend anomalies, a George V florin at that!

Not seen one of these before!? https://www.ebay.com/itm/282712379365?ul_noapp=true

This is all indicative of the mindset in the US regarding grading and indeed, what is asked and paid for fro unremarkable, run-of-the-mill coins. Not so long ago on the Coin Community Forum I was 'shot down' for deriding a very ordinary UNC common Elizabeth II shilling that was being sold for around $200 because it had a bit of rainbow toning that I argued could have been achieved by enclosing the coins with a hard-boiled egg, My point of view was simply not accepted - it's a different mindset over there!

It's even been graded so it must be worth a fortune!!

I'm still waiting as well after I asked him about the picture. Don't think we'll hear anything!

I've just reported it but since he's using a picture of a genuine coin, somehow the description pertaining to replica coins doesn't fit. I've also sent the scrote a message asking him why he's used an existing image. If he bothers to reply it'll be interesting what angle he takes.

He's used the same image as this Daily Mail article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1302005/1933-penny-coin-valued-80k-offered-eBay-suddenly-withdrawn.html I agree, this is so blatant and must be reported, not that eBay will take any notice!

Now if you send him a polite message as well, he might respond and threaten to report you to eBay for being aggressive!

I notice the remaining "what is it" fake (the Commonwealth one) has been "pulled" citing reason "the item is no longer available". Perhaps we actually got through to him!

I've now responded with the same sort of message. I await any response with interest.

I also answered all of gn00016's questions, saying they were fakes (and adding that I had reported them to eBay as such) and the cocky b*gg*r has responded saying he is not deceptive (I never even used that word) that he always starts at 99p, that he always gives the weight and size and that he never claims they are anything. He is now waiting for my response before deciding to report me to eBay for "aggressive" emails. What a plonker! Declan, since you also sent him messages, have you received any reply like this? I feel I must 'bite my lip' before responding to him, if at all. Frank

Not sure, I haven't sold anything on eBay for some time.

Same reason your average estate agent charges more for a more expensive property for doing the same amount of work! I agree entirely about these grading outfits. The practice has hijacked the common sense approach to numismatics that presumably did exist in the US before they came about. Add to that the astronomical inflation that eBay seems to engender for rubbish coins and we have the scenario where idiots pay for poor examples to be graded.

Yeah - I was thinking that as well - the Commonwealth fake had no takers but the other two had attracted several 'victims'!