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My 5 years count of ebay listings (2007-2011) found 13 large rose 1858's, from almost 3000 listings of 1858's. Of these 6 were small date and 7 were large date. I remember that when I first became aware of the large rose variety (courtesy of another member) I found the small date type first, and it then took me a good year to find the large date type. I don't think that many collectors were aware of the large rose varieties back during my study period, so this would suggest that the small / large date types have similar rarity. These stats probably go against what most collectors now believe to be the case. In any event, 13 large roses over 5 years compares with 70 x 1849's, so I think it is a pretty difficult type to locate, particularly in a decent grade.

Hi Mike, I was wondering whether you might ask about the 1854 No Colons Bramah 17a one day! I'm afraid I haven't yet started on the 1854 analysis, partly because there are around 4,000 of those in my 5-year study; also, I was wondering what to attempt. Clearly the OT/PT split is relatively easy, but perhaps not that interesting. The OT no colons is clearly feasible, but I would also like to attempt the 1854/3. I'm thinking, however, that in the absence of a good additional identifier, I don't think the picture quality of most ebay listings will be detailed enough to allow me to do that one. I will do the No Colons count at some point and post on the forum. Thanks for asking, it's good to get a bit of pressure to make me do it. 😣 By the way, I have a spare copy of Bramah if anyone is interested, but it won't be for peanuts!

I can't imagine what their ugly coins might look like.... https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/72366/i.html?_ssn=coin.empire&store_name=coinempirenumismatica&_oac=1

Every hammered coin is in fact unique... Hence, the strike, wear and eye appeal are even more significant than type rarity for the hammered series IMHO.

In terms of the extant known population I would say my 1863 die No 3 under date penny is the rarest.