DrLarry

and the shilling 1905

the three pence dated 1905

the six pence

I found this little collection of unusual cardboard coins last week. They are not listed in Rogers . They are silvered card about life size of the undated sixpence , 1905 three pence and the 1905 Shilling. Edward VII

yes you are likely correct and the red one I just saw and purchased tuesday I do not have the best pictures of yet until it arrives. I was really interested in the 8 hence I wondered if a half penny numeral 1861 existed as in the 62 .

They look almost identical with a closed P too , the only difference I can see is the lower "small 8" on mine seems to be sticking out just below making the angle of the larger 8 different and I think although I cannot be sure the first 1 also is over a smaller 1

that looks very much like the same one with the 8 over an 8 . the 8 does appear to be smaller and the overstruck high 1 smaller , thanks for that

thought we could compare the profiles sorry mine are different scales

the open P's 1861 1 over 1

the closed P's 1861 1 over 1

others sorry ! and I dont even like cricket ! over and out ...for tonight

Took a quick look 2 of mine with 1 over 1 in that high position have the open P and two with the 1 same have the closed P ....I will add the images tomorrow three if we include the new one all the 8's on these are normal. As I say the only 8's I have doubled the 8 is to the side

just checked the 1861 and the answer is no the P is closed

I will go through my other 1 over 1's and look at the P see if it is open. The thing that intrigued me about this one I originally listed is this * ...I have a few with * over *'s but they are usually to the side , this one give the appearance of a smaller 8 overstamped. I checked all the ones I have with 8's and 6's overstamped but could ot find one with the 8 looking so strange. when it arrives from the US I will add to the images ... but thanks for taking a look for me

Hello Larry, just found out that the Schweitzer will soon be publishing its catalogue makes it available (digitally). Hopefully we can use it with our PC read as it is over 350 pages long. I will keep you informed. I wish you a pleasant time and best regards. Gunter. The swiss collector is publishing soon you all may be interested to know ....I am intrigued to know the contents. As soon as I have it I will let you know

I seem to have another with a small six and the 1 over a 1 the obverse seems to have an O over an O off to the right and an A over an A B over B and some repuncing of the colons I will check the new one to see what the observe is like ... the colon doubling seems the same and the A ... It is not too important I just wondered if the small date existed. I have a dozen or so date errors i the 61's so they were probably just a bit careless with punching

I have tried to get the best from the photo I have but when it arrives I will do a better job. As I say there is a smaller first 1 the 8 and the last 1 distinctly smaller above sticking out I will check my overs to compare

The coin is not yet in the hand and it appears to have 3 small numbers in the date which have been overstamped the 8 is clear and the last 1 and some evidence of the first 1. If the mistake was corrected before any strikes then it is only important to me but I was not sure if it was known.

Could I ask if anyone is aware of an 1861 penny which , like the 1862, has used the half penny numerals ?

I doubt it is even worth meriting that somewhat offensive statement with a reasoned answer. But I will. Like science the purpose of charity is to enable the group you are setting out to empower to run and support themselves. I relocated for 12 years to simply support one small community with a large issue. At the time I was doing international development work so i did not need payment. I did my job and did an additional 30 hours a week. I returned to my birth place because the young people now have a social enterprise which funds the work we do with kids who have been raped or abused, who are HIV positive , or have lost both parents. A unpaid chief executive is a honorary role like a chancellor and because that is what the beneficiaries wanted my title to be. I travel back every two years or so and run workshops for others looking to start small enterprises and donate money from selling a few coins. But if that offends you I could always edit my profile , I just felt that this is part of who I am and hence happy to share it this is supposed to be a friendly forum where we can feel free to express an opinion. It has been my choice to live in the way I do. I returned because I wanted to use my health insurance to get treatment for cancer so yes I suppose I do live in a predominantly white society not for any other reason that there are not so many people of other nations around me, although we have many Malaysian and Chinese students. I have a home here so whilst not in the nicest part of the UK (others born here love it) it is a roof and as you say we all find groups with whom we share interests and this I have done. Sure I would rather be home in London, but working away for 25 years it was cheaper to return to the house I bought 35 years ago at University. I hope that allows you to understand me a little clearer. I made an investment at the right time and so have no need to work for money so I don't and so spent the last 22 years supporting the charity..( for free) that is my choice.

I agree it is a useful "mechanism" to cohere and I am sure it offers a great sense of comfort for many people for as long as it remains a nice comfort , however is=t does get weaponized so often in history that I personally feel it somewhat disagreeable in particular when it is used by politicians to stoke reactions that lead to humane approaches being side lined. I have never really felt its comforting support personally no more than any other group identity. When something feels as if it is being used or abusing others then I will happily become an activist again . Activism does not leave me personally with a sense of belonging any more than the other groups. Science I suppose provides a good framework simply because it is built of experience and observation yet is founded on the principle of seeking to nullify observations until such a time we reach the limits of what we can disprove.....which at that time then opens a possible explanation for some situation....science is never about fact and I quite like that sense of chaos. But of course all positions provide an potential for isolation from one part of society or another. I respect the choices people make to find a sense of togetherness so long as that is not used to harm those who perhaps cannot advocate for themselves.

To be honest whilst I do not agree with the tactics of XR I have seen many times individuals and groups who are willing to protest to achieve many things throughout my life as I am sure you have too. It does take a lot of courage to stand strong on what you believe in, sometimes even a willingness to do harm to self in order to make the apathetic amongst us to take notice. I have done it myself for three main causes in my life Anti apartheid; equality on LGB issues and in forcing governments and pharmo companies to make access to treatment on HIV. If a person is wholeheartedly dedicated to the belief they hold then I can at least understand that it takes such people to highlight something so that we can reach a better place. Your definition is so "all inclusive" that it limits your argument. Some on the right of left, some who are presumably unluvvies ..( although I am not sure exactly what this label really means) I am sure some work quietly in the background , some are quite articulate and many I am sure should come from all of the constructs of "english" classes. There is also a much bigger picture than little Britain. I dont feel myself a great passion for a place I was born, it is just luck and patriotism seems a somewhat small minded approach towards being human. But if a person likes to feel that sense of belonging and "greatness" then there is nothing wrong with that per se, but it is akin to believing in the superstition and /or religion ...it is self reassurance or possibly a delusion of grandeur ( but this is my take on the idea of "the patriot" )

Hello Larry, you have great pieces! Regarding age: I believe that the age of coins and cans can only be determined if they are almost unused. In everyday play, cans will also have been filled with foreign coins. Merchants, vendors and children also liked to mix the content so that it was easier to sell and play again. Coins were sometimes found in my cans, especially with Lauer and Balmberger. But be careful: the companies even helped out with deliveries! See catalog text at Lauer, Balmberge and Arld. Have a beautiful Sunday, Gunter. here is his reply on box #41 in his catalogue ...the word box seems to always translate as "can "

it is nice to have a wealth of research , the boxes alone in his book fill 18 pages with up to 8 on one page .....so this is a great deal more than Rogers.

I have written to him to ask about the Round box with the harpy and scene of Nurnberg which I showed . It is his belief that the box was constructed in 1931 so I have asked if the contents I showed may not be the original ones